PeteVenkman_Jedi wrote:LordVego wrote:This entire thread is one big facepalm.
You people are complaining about acting and effects and stuff in fan films; even originality. Come on. Really? Originality. In a fan film. About a premade franchise. What ever happened to liking what someone does and has fun with it?
Veggy, the only palming you seem to be familiar with at the moment is the incessant fapping you do to the erotic cartoons in the fan art section. Telling some one to like some piece if crap just for the sake that someone made it and had fun doing it is bull and you know it. Yes, there are a lot of really terrible fan films made but that doesn't mean any good ones can't get made. I see nothing wrong with trying to raise the bar of fan film quality. I thinks it's worse or just applaud people for anything they do just because they tried. Yes, I'll always appreciate a good effort, but I won't blow sunshine up anyone's butt to save their feelings. I grew up in a world before political correctness was around and you expected to tell folks their crap was crap without having to worry about their poor little feelings getting hurt. That was how things were improved upon.
lol. You're really going to personally insult someone on the internet and then be taken seriously? I can make plenty of cheap shots on your username alone, but that's simply pathetic.
Listen, here, big guy. Provided you know anything about film making, which I am sure you don't, you would see how hard a 'good' film would be. Taking in factors of sound, lighting, acting, effects, grips, direction, and writing, you're looking at a pretty expensive budget.
Okay, you can direct it yourself, it's your movie. Fine. Quick note, it isn't as easy to have an artistic vision as you'd make it seem. Then you have to be able to put people in a place and have them work with that place while you adjust and work cameras into the right place. Then try shooting that about 5-20 times in different angles. You're a director? Awesome! Did you know poor direction is more than half of the bad shit you see in these films?
Directors need people to give them a story, where will you get a writer? Oh, your friend from work/message board/school/cousin/yourself is a writer? Alright, let's get started on that. Writing is a long an arduous process. You claim there is no originality, but you're dealing with something that has existed a long time. There can literally be no originality. That's out the window. Fortunately, there is a prewritten mythos so you don't have to create at all. All you need to do is come up with a situation. Then write a beginning, middle, and end. Do you know anything about story structure?
There, mapped it out for you. But it won't always work like that. Did you know that? That's only the male story structure. Within the space of each of those crises is another tiny male story structure for each and every single scene. Now there's also what is known as a FEMALE story structure. It doesn't need to go in any particular order, as each scene and their climax tell a different story. Now what you, as you must know in your infinite wisdom, must do is choose how this story flows. It will take countless drafts and rewrites but you knew that. You knew how time and price costly this was, right?
Sound/Lighting/Visual Equipment is something that is just completely bypassed normally in your world, I'm sure. In the world of actual film making, the camera equipment is generally something that needs to be very high quality, although it is possible to bypass this using high quality film editing software readily available for piracy on the web, so you're covered there. However, what can't be bypassed is the sound pickup from said cameras. If using something like a tiny handheld, light doesn't always come in the right way, it's harder to filter, oh and the tiny mic on it won't pick up sound right, but it will pick up plenty of wind and echo/reverb (see again the video Zack posted). Lighting isn't entirely necessary but what about night time shots? The light on your handheld won't hold up either. Oh you have all the necessary equipment? Cool!
Well since we're this far in, we also need to put people in front of the camera. I bet you have plenty of buddies that have always wanted to be movie stars, so we're clear! Wait, no, you said you wanted good actors. We'd better head down to the local community theatre/high school for them. Oh, don't forget to mention that acting in front of a camera is significantly different than on stage, so we'll check cable access, and the schools AV club! Not good enough, eh? That's because most hired actors won't do things for free. This is either because they can easily get something for pay at the same time as your project, or their UNION won't let them. I am a card carrying union actor. Luckily I am a ghosthead, so maybe I can hop on for a small fee. Even some of the actors in Return of the Ghostbusters were paid, so what does that say about the cast you can rig up at your next to nothing budget? Got them?! Awesome!! Let's move on!
Actors, director, writer(s), functioning camera, sound, and lights.. wait wait.. Do we have people to do behind the scenes work? You know, the people to set up and run lights, or sound equipment, or hold the cameras steady... or properties masters, costume masters (so your things don't get lost or ruined), or even auxiliary set builders for the sites you may not be able to get to. Music is also needed though right? Okay, so you're not an accomplished composer, we can just make something up on the MIDI program you downloaded! Wait, you can't? Okay, we'll use preexisting music. Wait a second, what's that? The FBI knocking at your door! Oh no! Run! You don't have the rights to that music! It's okay it was a not for profit film! Let's say you got the rights, just in case. You can seriously afford all of this? Really? Oh, you're going to do it all yourself?! Phenomenal, phenomenal.
As stated before a lot of post production software is going to be readily available online. That's no issue for you, O Captain of the Internet! But do you know how to use all that? It's okay they have tutorials. But, just as a precaution, you should grab one of those AV kids to help you out. I think one lives on the block, and his brother mows lawns in the summer. Hell, let's get them both over!
Wait this seems a little much for a fan film. I'm starting to get worried that this might not be worth it. We need to cut back on some cash, so we'll get rid of some of the cost somehow - goodbye high powered equipment; we can hire some friends and neighbors as behind the scenes guys, and extras; let's use our own clothes as costumes; maybe we don't need as many real actors as we thought.
Where are we now? We are at a standard GB fanfilm that you say suck so much. Care to do better? I dare you. I dare you make an amazingly glorious fan film with a tiny budget. Please?
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"Fanfilms are talentless and boring and are generally terrible, since RotGB"
"RotGB sucked. Effects okay, acting sucks, effects don't make a movie"
"Facepalm. What ever people to just having fun with it?"
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