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PostPosted: April 10th, 2012, 12:32 pm 
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This WIP is one of two patch designs intended to promote breast cancer awareness.

I usually start with a rough outline before I even out the lines manually to make them smooth and even --or at least complimentary and consistent!

And now a little creator back story regarding why I made this. In researching for Washington State franchises; prior to joining GBFans, I was motivated to join after finding Thumpernicus post presenting a Washington State themed No-Ghost. URL to that is here http://www.gbfans.com/community/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=25901.

One of two things I came away with from reading his post and the responses was the challenge to make a No-Ghost (not easy btw) and a side-comment from ProtonCharger. The comment made I never bothered to get to the root of "why" he would post that - mostly because he was being a troll.

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the one you have in your signature is perverse.


Safe to assume this was in regards to Thumpernicus signature image:
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So the choice of words and the observation produced an idea. And in that idea steps were made and taken in producing my take on what a Breast Cancer Awareness Ghost Buster themed-styled patch would look like.

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With some light research I found the color values used in Breast Cancer Awareness Campaigns according to the National Breast Cancer Foundation, Inc. Corporate Brand Identity Standards. http://www.nationalbreastcancer.org/downloads/NBCF-Brand-Portfolio.pdf

They spelled "Indentity" instead of "Identity". And I'm pretty sure they weren't going for "indemnity" --but, I digress.

Combined these details with public domain breast cancer awareness slogan (YES, they have those :wink: ) - I chose for this design to work with "Big or Small Save Them All". I also made the design direction to NOT hide or suppress the ghost behind the circle slash (or sash) and went with the natural choice of making it a girl too.

Keep in mind this design is currently a Work In Progress :!: and I still have at least one more I'd like to do!

I've seen other Breast Cancer No-Ghosts after designing this one - I'm pretty confident in this design and would appreciate input and feedback.

- - Oh, and I'll make red ones for anyone interested in these designs for regular use or collecting.


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I like it! My preference for the slogan would be on the logo itself (2nd image, top row). Would the slightly open mouth smile translate to embroidery clearly? Just wondered about that. It's cute, I just hope it would stitch properly.

I'll be interested to see how this develops. I would be down for a few patches, for mostly personal reasons. I know some survivors who would get a kick out of them. :)

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I like the design itself but I will also warn that some people may find it in bad taste. We were asked not to attend a cancer fundraiser for just that reason. In fighting cancer some don't want to see folks dressed up like they are going to capture the spirits of dead people.

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Also that was not thumpernicus' sig at the time...if I remember correctly the ghost had it's right hand around a rather phallic (though unintentionally) building...thats what Protoncharger meant. When you update your sig on the site it changes on all old posts as well

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Thanks.

Yeah, that was a bit of a stopper for me in the design was the mouth. - You'll notice the first build to the bottom left has a line that represents a closed mouth smile. And then later came the design of a bottom lip (black lipstick) with a gloss effect (represented in cartoon land with a single white oval) - so far I'm not too comfortable with this because I really don't know what it'll look like in the final version as a patch. The center represents a patch that is about 11" to 12", so not a very accurate 3.5" to 4" scale it needs to be to be an arm patch.

I use an embroidery effect tool that simulates threading and can show me where I may run into issue with designs, and the mouth is definitely a concern. Mostly because the design may get lost in its final medium may and look a bit off.

That's why I'm doing this now and not at the last minute before October.

:arrow: When it comes time for patches I'll make red versions too and the tagline in the top right design is also what I want. The tagline will also be optional and I'm still working out what font and colors to use.

Right now in this design I'm using the regular Ghostbusters by The Flea Pit


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Chace wrote:
I will also warn that some people may find it in bad taste. We were asked not to attend a cancer fundraiser for just that reason. In fighting cancer some don't want to see folks dressed up like they are going to capture the spirits of dead people.

*edit*

Also that was not thumpernicus' sig at the time...if I remember correctly the ghost had it's right hand around a rather phallic (though unintentionally) building...thats what Protoncharger meant. When you update your sig on the site it changes on all old posts as well


a little of both. it is in bad taste mixing cancer victims with people dressed as a comedy movie that is about catching ghosts.

as sick as this idea is to go forward with, i guess im glad i inspired someone that doesnt know the definition of "perverse".

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Chace wrote:
I like the design itself but I will also warn that some people may find it in bad taste. We were asked not to attend a cancer fundraiser for just that reason. In fighting cancer some don't want to see folks dressed up like they are going to capture the spirits of dead people.


Thanks Chace! Yeah I had a conversation about this beforehand on chat with a couple people there when I first-first presented these designs to them. My feeling is that if you show up as a Ghost Buster and it gets people's attention you can do your part and represent with a positive message and show support for the community. I'm used to mobs crowds droves people.

There's only one of two ways anything like this can be taken --and I can only account for my choices and actions and don't move my opinion to suit objective observations.

If I appear as a Ghost Buster to a function where people do not understand the occult or have a belief that does not allow for freedoms in expression, then I'll take my toys and go somewhere else a little more appropriate.

Showing up to a cancer function with a prop atomic weapon for the capture and elimination of ghosts is just reckless anyways - use your own good judgment on what, where and when to play dress-up for a good cause.

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Also that was not thumpernicus' sig at the time...if I remember correctly the ghost had it's right hand around a rather phallic (though unintentionally) building...thats what Protoncharger meant. When you update your sig on the site it changes on all old posts as well


Ohhhh, okay. I know the one - it's the Spokane clock tower from his city.


there's this one ...
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and then there's this other one ...
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Clearly this is one of those “Objective vs. Subjective” deals. When Protoncharger saw a clock tower the power of the mind and imagination took hold and substituted it for something else.

Seriously though, designing a quality GB No-Ghost logo is not usually simple and done. You want it to matter for something and you want it to count towards your credibility as a Ghostbuster. I know this because I've designed at least a handful of them, and they're all subjective. And I think about this even in my day to day life choices and in everything I do.


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I think these are great! The only thing I would do is take out the line coming up around the other side of the face... just connect it with the neck line... it sorta makes the face look off-center. But other than that, I love the concept and the illustration!

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ProtonCharger wrote:
a little of both. it is in bad taste mixing cancer victims with people dressed as a comedy movie that is about catching ghosts.

as sick as this idea is to go forward with, i guess im glad i inspired someone that doesnt know the definition of "perverse".


Didn't know what you meant at the time. But yes ProtonCharger, you inspired .. you did good in the world (somehow) yesh you did! --yesh you did! :crunch:

Plus I dig the 1:1 scale papercraft proton pack project article you've made.


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I think these are great! The only thing I would do is take out the line coming up around the other side of the face... just connect it with the neck line... it sorta makes the face look off-center. But other than that, I love the concept and the illustration!


Good eye. When I made this I scanned a very small (on paper) image then added the face itself in post - what's likely going to happen is I will redraw this again .. better, stronger, faster than she was before (we have the technology) so it's visually better proportioned.

I wanted to give her kind of a flowing water drop effect - In my designs for the GB logos I try to incorporate a nod, wink and tip of the hat to the original Michael Gross No-Ghost. In this case it was the eye brows and the smoke tip on the top of her head. I was debating (with myself) of making her look more like Janine :eyeroll: from the Real Ghostbusters but then I pretty much backed off that and opted for something previously unrelated and original instead.

For big foot it was the head shape (even though the top of the head was taller) and a ghost tip beard and top of the head. For G-Dub it was mostly just the top of the head had a little ghost tip slipped in there, and the Colonial Un-Fraid ghost had a ghost tip pony tail, which I later literally just copy and pasted to a No-Ghost temporarily while figuring out tabs, tags and banner layouts for that design. Mystery Eyes/Cryptid design originally did not have any No-Ghost elements until after Big Foot No-Ghost was made.

So yeah, on my list of things to fix for this design is the shape of her head and proportional details that make up her face. These are things that will have to get fixed much sooner than later.


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My feeling is that if you show up as a Ghost Buster and it gets people's attention you can do your part and represent with a positive message and show support for the community.


It worked for Elon Spengler.

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I understand the thought behind this all, and it's a good one, but I guess I don't get the connection between GB and breast cancer awareness - as Chace pointed out, it's so specific and weird a link to make, that it would likely be more offensive than anything else to actually wear full gear with one of these patches on.

But if you want to go full out, I say we make a patch for every type of cancer. Anyone want to take on a No-Ghost prostate cancer logo?

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I understand the thought behind this all, and it's a good one, but I guess I don't get the connection between GB and breast cancer awareness - as Chace pointed out, it's so specific and weird a link to make, that it would likely be more offensive than anything else to actually wear full gear with one of these patches on.

But if you want to go full out, I say we make a patch for every type of cancer. Anyone want to take on a No-Ghost prostate cancer logo?


Here's your complimentary reply:

" I am not interested in other people's objective observations regarding the connection (if any) between being a Ghost Buster and Cancer awareness. "

Yours to keep, print it out, fold it up and put it in your pocket, close to your heart forever and ever. Then after that you can read the portion where I proceed to trickle out information regarding the final product. :D

Pin-up ghost girl patches are going to happen. Cancer awareness ones are getting made as well.

Why they're going to happen? It is something I want to see and other people may want too.

Where it will happen? Any where it is welcomed and to be determined later.

When it happens? Before October 2012 is when I want the final versions of these patches ready to fire out of a cannon.

Prostate Cancer awareness month is in September - that one would just be a baby boy blue No-Ghost circle sash like this.

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Pin-up ghost girl patches are going to happen.


That's a whole other thing that makes no sense to me. To each his own, I guess.

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. Anyone want to take on a No-Ghost prostate cancer logo?


It's been done.

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Who is still not aware of cancer?

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kevinj319 wrote:
Who is still not aware of cancer?


+1

I wish they would "find a cure". I read about cancer killing nanobots years ago.. what happened? Sorry if I'm coming off as a jerk but really think about it; what if we threw the money that goes into breast cancer awareness into say any other disease or cancer. Is is so much to ask for some results?
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That was 2010.
I support the this cause.. Just not in my gb gear.

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kevinj319 wrote:
Who is still not aware of cancer?


+1

I wish they would "find a cure". I read about cancer killing nanobots years ago.. what happened? Sorry if I'm coming off as a jerk but really think about it; what if we threw the money that goes into breast cancer awareness into say any other disease or cancer. Is is so much to ask for some results?
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http://gizmodo.com/5501103/this-is-the-future-of-the-fight-against-cancer
That was 2010.
I support the this cause.. Just not in my gb gear.

Sorry No Offence


None taken - thanks for the link too. Fascinating read.


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I don't mean to be insensitive to anyone who has had to deal with cancer, god knows it has taken its toll on several members of my family.

That being said, I have a problem with NFL players wearing pink shoes. When arguably the most macho of sports has guys running around in pink shoes, something has gone horribly wrong with America. And I'd like to see a list of how many cases of cancer were cured by those shoes.

Anyway, it irks me more than it should. But the reason it's called "awareness" is because they can always make it about getting the word out, as if we don't know. If they call it "for a cure" they might actually have to produce something.

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kevinj319 wrote:
I don't mean to be insensitive to anyone who has had to deal with cancer, god knows it has taken its toll on several members of my family.

That being said, I have a problem with NFL players wearing pink shoes. When arguably the most macho of sports has guys running around in pink shoes, something has gone horribly wrong with America. And I'd like to see a list of how many cases of cancer were cured by those shoes.

Anyway, it irks me more than it should. But the reason it's called "awareness" is because they can always make it about getting the word out, as if we don't know. If they call it "for a cure" they might actually have to produce something.



I can dig it - instead of talking about curing cancer you're in the majority who would really like to see action taken against it.

I want that. I also want members of my family back who should have never suffered through it. And the ones who are to know that I'm thinking of them always.


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It's been done.

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Now THAT'S classy.

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Now THAT'S classy.



Yeah, the first time.

When you post it, it just comes off as sad and fatuous.

It's okay - someday you will make a funny and I can only hope to LOL. Maybe I'll even repeat it in passing to share the joy with the world.


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This is a fantastic idea. At major BC awareness functions it would be a great idea.


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Yeah, the first time.

When you post it, it just comes off as sad and fatuous.

It's okay - someday you will make a funny and I can only hope to LOL. Maybe I'll even repeat it in passing to share the joy with the world.


Huh? I was responding to Chace, dude. That's what happens when you hit "reply" to someone's post.

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. Anyone want to take on a No-Ghost prostate cancer logo?


It's been done.

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now this is something I'd wear as a patch!

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Here's what we use for Making Strides Against Breast Cancer in October:
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Feel free to use any ideas it may or may not bring. It's just a simple modification of our basic logo. We also have variants for Christmas, Mardi Gras, the New Orleans Saints, and we're working one up for Relay for Life in purple.

We haven't done patches with these logos but they get a decent response on our website and Facebook pages.

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I've changed my mind on this. I will be replacing the red stripe (temporarily, of course) with a pink stripe, the lenses will be light pink (may need LEDs or something to get it right), we'll be the first group with a Masecto-1!

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Here's what we use for Making Strides Against Breast Cancer in October:
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Feel free to use any ideas it may or may not bring. It's just a simple modification of our basic logo. We also have variants for Christmas, Mardi Gras, the New Orleans Saints, and we're working one up for Relay for Life in purple.

We haven't done patches with these logos but they get a decent response on our website and Facebook pages.


That is really cool - very clean and polished. I like it.

Defiantly want to check out your collection if there's more like this. Thank you!


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The other logos are on our Facebook page under profile pics. Thanks for the kind words! We are lucky enough to have a professional artist as one of our founding members, and we all love his work.

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Here's an update on design 1 - aligned the eyes, nose and brows to conform to the center line of the image.

Since the face was done after the basic shape of the body was created they were centered to about where the face goes but not fitted properly to match the perspective.

Reduced the width by 75% ish (didn't catch the exact value) and moved it more to the right and adjusted the eyebrows and nose to the right as well. The mouth is the same. Did one of my little embroidery simulations and the details in the eye lashes disappeared - since the mouth isn't where I want it to be in detail and shape (yet) the results were the same as before - with the eye lashes going away in the embroidery test I'll have to rebuild her eye lashes for a later time and test it when I'm not half asleep. Whilst fixing her lashes I want to fix the ghost tip on the top of her head. The thickness of the line appears too heavy on the point - drives me nuts. :shock:

I also threw together patch color sample tests for what I had in mind and font samples of what I'm currently deciding between.

A. Ghostbusters 2 name tape font
B. Ghostbusters 1 name tape font
C. Ghostbusters title font w/o logo
D. Ghostbusters title font w/logo

And the tag line will be inside the color of the circle and the final size, thickness, style, and colors for the font are to be determined later; even though I'm till leaning towards the initial layout of the first design (inside the circle).

Thank you in advance for your input and critiques!

NOTE: I already noticed the missing fingers on the top sample - her fingers are fine they're just behind the circle layer. They'll be back in the next update :wink:


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I think the bottom right (classic logo w/black interior) works best, especially against the white of the female ghost--the contrast overall is better imo. As for font, I like "A" or "C"....

Awesome job!

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