Davideverona wrote: ↑March 1st, 2019, 4:43 pm Calling it now: they have Shandor's blood in their veins.
It has a ton of potential. And never mind that he was used before. Star Wars films have reused plots from books, comics and video games. Hell within the first 3 films there was a Death Star twice. The Marvel films are almost always based on specific comic story arcs published 20+ years ago.
Including what was done in GB:TVG there's potential for: A large cult based on the Gozer worshipers Shandor leaving behind more portals to the other dimensions Ivo being just 1 in a long line of evil Shandors A ghost haunting the Shandor family for generations Ivo's unnecessary surgeries: either creating monsters from people or leaving magic items within people. Or perhaps not a blood tie but they could be on a Shandor property. Perhaps his birthplace.
GB1 mentioned Shandor having 1,000 followers At least a handful would have been alive still and it's possible the numbers had grown. He's an architect and he only ever built one building with the supernatural alloy? Unlikely. GB1 hardly closed the case on Gozer or Shandor. The Ghostbusters used all of their power to close the door. They didn't even destroy Gozer. The demi-god is alive and well. GB1 is great but it's fraught with loose ends. What the GB accomplished in GB1 was essentially destroying a Gozer temple. The ONLY Gozer temple? Nope. She's been worshipped for millennia and that temple was hardly the first and unlikely the only one especially with Shandor's knack for supernatural building.
Do I think that's what the story will be? I'm iffy on it but since the cap on a trilogy is usually for tying up loose ends it would make a lot of sense to bring in history from GB1 and GB2 much like GB: TVG did.
I conducted guesses on the forums, bizarre guesses intended to bring about conversation, and now it looks like it may actually happen!
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Posted: August 19th, 2019, 8:47 pm
by timeware
Not that I'm opposed to the return of the Gozarian that must not be named, (see what I did there?) why would Shandor cultists re invest in a horse that couldn't finish the race? I would assume they would be trying to summon something more dangerous. Possibly along the lines of H.P. lovecraftish? Maybe Egon hooked up with a Shandor during the drunken barn dance and was caught trying to steal a spell book?
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Posted: August 19th, 2019, 10:55 pm
by SpaceBallz
Stay Puft ad on a wall & the Little girl has a stay puft toy and shirt, will she accidentally chose the destroyer?!
okay..so like, if its not just an easter egg and were indeed going into the shandor storyline, whats to become vigo, the master of evil? How does he fit into the Story?
Can vigo be an early gozer worshipper?
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I really hope that
Vigo doesn't get retconned to have any connection to Gozer, it'd undermine the character to establish him as being another lackey of the Destructor - that's why I've been so reluctant to accept that the Cult of Shandor was responsible for the rivers of slime in Ghostbusters II.
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Posted: August 20th, 2019, 2:14 am
by philmorgan81
LOL! Well one way or another a villain is going to be undermined depending on your view. You could say that Ivo Shandor knew exactly what he was doing when he pumped the slime into the sewer there by undermining Vigo or you could say that Ivo Shandor was not getting the results he wanted from his slime experiments and threw the stuff in the sewer because it was a failed experiment. Then you could say that Vigo used his skills as a powerful magician to tap into the Slime and turning Shandor's failure into something he could utilize.
Again probably depends on one's view.
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Posted: August 20th, 2019, 2:15 am
by philmorgan81
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Posted: August 20th, 2019, 2:22 am
by Alphagaia
What's the problem with Ivo Shandor deliberately using the slime to stream towards a place of culture? It building up would eventually unleash a powerful spirit like Vigo. Just like the Scoleri Brothers were brought back by the slime in just a few hours?
His followers might even have sent the picture to the museum.
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Posted: August 20th, 2019, 2:34 am
by robbritton
mrmichaelt wrote: ↑August 19th, 2019, 5:02 pm The sherriff car symbols
Top left looks like an oil drilling platform. Bottom left, maybe teepees? The top right I'm not sure.
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Isn’t it one of those
big old flat top rocks America has in the deserts? Are they called Mesas? EDIT: Turns out they’re called ‘buttes’, amazingly! Anyway, that’s what I took it to be.
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Posted: August 20th, 2019, 2:51 am
by mrmichaelt
Vigo just stole from a power source the cult amassed for Gozer. End of story. I think it's safe to say Vigo worshiped himself.
robbritton wrote:
Isn’t it one of those
big old flat top rocks America has in the deserts? Are they called Mesas? EDIT: Turns out they’re called ‘buttes’, amazingly! Anyway, that’s what I took it to be.
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Good eye.
And there's 3 in Oklahoma - the Glass Mountains, Mesa de Maya, and Black Mesa. Black Mesa seems like a dead-on contender. Plus, the top of the Black Mesa is considered a geological wonder of North America.
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Posted: August 20th, 2019, 2:53 am
by Kalonthar
Speaking of
Shandor’s cult, it never crossed my mind before that Shandor started his Gozer society the same year it was believed the ghost train from GB2 derailed.
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Posted: August 20th, 2019, 3:09 am
by Alphagaia
mrmichaelt wrote: ↑August 20th, 2019, 2:51 am Vigo just stole from a power source the cult amassed for Gozer. End of story. I think it's safe to say Vigo worshiped himself.
I never said Vigo worshipped Gozer, though. I treat him as kind of a backup plan.
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Posted: August 20th, 2019, 5:08 am
by mrmichaelt
I was replying to Kingpin. I must've deleted the quote by mistake. Sorry I gave you the wrong impression. Idk, the back up plan was the mandala system. And to be fair, Winston speculated the Cult of Gozer was responsible for the river. It was never verified as fact. The IDW comics seem to have gone a better route of saying this type of ectoplasm is a psycho-natural occurrence under populated centers, there was a pool of positively charged psychomagnotheric slime under Coney Island and a negatively charged river under Las Vegas found so far.
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Posted: August 20th, 2019, 5:38 am
by Alphagaia
I don't think Jason has played the game and read the comics, though.
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Posted: August 20th, 2019, 8:03 am
by tylergfoster
Is the Vigo connection to Gozer from the game? I don't remember that.
As others have suggested, I like the idea of the Shandor cult having moved onto a different thing to summon, although that big G certainly suggests otherwise...
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Posted: August 20th, 2019, 8:27 am
by lozbloke
I have to say, I'm quite excited by the Gozer aspect being revisited, as long as it isn't a complete rehash. Though from what little we know so far, it doesn't seem to be.
I remember Jason specifying that he found terror dogs scary from the first film so, given the Gozer aspect, it wouldn't surprise me if one pops up in this.....which again would please me big time!
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Posted: August 20th, 2019, 8:47 am
by RedSpecial
Oh man, a practical terror dog would be amazing to see again. Not that a cgi version wouldn't be but if they do any of the creature effects work practically in this movie I'll be very happy.
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Posted: August 20th, 2019, 8:54 am
by BatDan
Arent the Cabin In the Woods crew working on this? Most if not all of the creature effects in that were practical and amazing.
Im sure the monsters and ghosts we see this time around will be in the same realm as that, especially if were going for an “authentic” ghostbusters “love letter”
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Posted: August 20th, 2019, 8:57 am
by RedSpecial
I had completely forgotten about their involvement. Thats really promising.
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Posted: August 20th, 2019, 9:48 am
by Doctor Venkman
I've waited 30 years for this... and I'm so incredibly torn between excitedly wanting to know about the BTS stuff and not wanting to have the movie spoiled, but my God... as if I didn't have the utmost faith in Jason already.
groschopf wrote: ↑August 19th, 2019, 5:03 pm If Egon is connected at all, I could see him having been a fertility donor. That would make the timeline and identity mystery make sense. They wouldn't know who the dad under those circumstances.
I mean, he is the dude that slept with mood slime and talked about his epididymitis.
I could buy this.
RichardLess wrote: ↑August 19th, 2019, 5:24 pm Guys. And girls. The video game has nothing to do with the movie. Average Joe six pack doesn't know about it. They aren't going to have Gozer be the Villian 3 times. This movie has been described as a love letter to the original.
The video game is not canon.
Three times? If we're ruling out The Video Game, then what are the other two times?
That's what I mean. If they included the video game as canon that would mean this is the 3rd time Gozer makes an appearance and is vital to the story. They aren't going to do that.
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Posted: August 20th, 2019, 10:02 am
by RichardLess
Taking a look at that symbol again, we seem to be overlooking the circle. I'm assuming the circle represents earth. We've got what looks like a representation of Central Park West Temple. And 3 others. One looks like some kind of hutt or tepee. How many here have seen Close Encounters of the Third Kind? One of those images reminds me of Devil's Tower, a very prominent landmark featured in the film.
Also. This is a stretch and probably not at all the case but the towns name is Summerville right? And Gozer was a Sumerian? I know I know lol. It's a reach.
If the filmmakers are reading this board right now I'd bet they are loving our wild speculation. To a quote an extremely awful Dan Aykroyd movie "it's like playing chess in the dark" (ugh..Pearl Harbor. Though Dan is actually the only interesting thing in the movie)
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Posted: August 20th, 2019, 10:28 am
by philmorgan81
Alphagaia wrote: ↑August 20th, 2019, 2:22 am What's the problem with Ivo Shandor deliberately using the slime to stream towards a place of culture? It building up would eventually unleash a powerful spirit like Vigo. Just like the Scoleri Brothers were brought back by the slime in just a few hours?
His followers might even have sent the picture to the museum.
Actually that part didn't trouble me at all. Winston's theory about the mood slime being pumped into the New York Sewer by the Gozer cult is one of the hundreds of things I loved on the game.
I love the little touches like the Vigo painting making an appearance, the use of the slime blowers, the way the Ecto 1B looked like a nice marriage between the Classic Ecto 1 and Ecto 1A from GB 2, and Winston's Cult Slime theory were a real nice way to tie the events of 2 movies together.
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Posted: August 20th, 2019, 10:44 am
by philmorgan81
lozbloke wrote: ↑August 20th, 2019, 8:27 am I have to say, I'm quite excited by the Gozer aspect being revisited, as long as it isn't a complete rehash. Though from what little we know so far, it doesn't seem to be.
I remember Jason specifying that he found terror dogs scary from the first film so, given the Gozer aspect, it wouldn't surprise me if one pops up in this.....which again would please me big time!
I agree with you and RedSpecial. Terror Dogs have been really missed the past 2 movies. I always thought it would awesome to see the Ghostbusters driving the Ecto 1 and being chased by a horde of terror dogs. I dreamt of that ever since I was a kid.
I always loved the Terror Dogs, they weren't just whisky apparitions these things were corporeal and horrifying. There are the so many things in Ghostbusters that are iconic and I am glad that the Terror Dogs have been getting a lot of love the passed few years with toys getting made of them. I think it would be awesome if Gozer is getting revisited if these things made a comeback on the big screen.
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Posted: August 20th, 2019, 11:31 am
by groschopf
RichardLess wrote: ↑August 20th, 2019, 10:02 am This is a stretch and probably not at all the case but the towns name is Summerville right? And Gozer was a Sumerian? I know I know lol. It's a reach.
I don’t think that’s a stretch at all. The animated series had werewolves living in Lupusville (lupus being Latin for “wolf”).
In fact, the Sumerian connection makes more sense while lending the town a facade of innocence by sounding like a quaint vacation spot.
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Posted: August 20th, 2019, 11:57 am
by Coover5
I would say it's a stretch but the sheriff is supposedly Sheriff Domingo. Domingo is Sunday. Sunday is the Holy Day or Sabbath. While I don't see that really coming into play to me its suggests consideration when picking names meaning the names aren't picked at random.
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Posted: August 20th, 2019, 12:52 pm
by JonXCTrack
Between the Shandor Mining Co. logo on the truck, the pyramid with a G on that building, and the pyramid showing up as one of four visuals on the Sheriff's logo, there is definitely a Gozerian theme to this movie. It's just too much to be an easter egg. The roofcap on 55 Central Park west was made of a magnesium-tungsten allow and the girders had cores of pure selenium. Shandor obviously had to get these materials from somewhere. Rural Oklahoma is just a good a place as any, I guess, and that would explain the Shandor Mining Co. The sign with the pyramid and a G - my best guess is that is a is a store front that sells Gozerian items, or maybe some kind of library or museum dedicated to the history of the Cult of Gozer. As for the Sheriff's vehicle, my guess is that those are four landmarks associated with Summerville County, Oklahoma. One appears to be an oil derrick, another a set of teepees, another a mesa, and the last one a Gozerian like temple. I don't know if all of the landmarks are related. Either way, what if there was another Gozer temple built in the Summerville County area? Perhaps a prototype that was constructed before the one installed on top of 55 Central Park West? Here we are 100 years after Shandor's passing with the cult of Gozer remaining in this small town, waiting to to resurrect their founder and/or try to bring Gozer to Earth again?
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Posted: August 20th, 2019, 12:54 pm
by tylergfoster
The Summerville / Sumerian thing is real good.
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Posted: August 20th, 2019, 1:15 pm
by groschopf
To my eye,
the G sign on the storefront is reminiscent of the sort of imagery you'd see on something like a Masonic Temple. Just kind of an emblem of something you see in the background everyday without really understanding what it is.
In this case, much more nefarious than the dreaded and conspiracy fodder Freemasons. Good visual nod to make them blend in.
Supposedly, the G in the examples I'm displaying here stand for "Geometry" or possibly... wait for it... a non-denominational "Great Architect of the Universe."
I'm not at all saying the freemasons have anything to do with the plot. I'm sure they don't. This isn't a Simpsons episode.
My point is whoever did the graphic design for these elements clearly looked at their iconography in order to make cryptic symbols that we might encounter in public spaces (or on the back of American money) but tune out. Great work on the part of their Design Department.
