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By Alphagaia
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Just so you know, Pferreirra was outed as a stubborn troll a few months ago. He won't be responding. ;-)
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JurorNo.2 wrote:You know, something else has been occurring to me. Feig all but said he wanted to portray Holtzmann as a gay character. And Feig also hinted the studio wasn't cool with broadcasting that. And who are some of the biggest fans of this movie and Holtzmann -- Tumblr girls.


Honestly, and maybe this might put me in a negative light, but I'm sorta happy with that move. However, while I do agree that Holtzmann is gay, there's something about not out right saying it that ... adds to her. It's human, in an interesting way, because she is still a sexual icon, but subtle and you're more focused on other elements to her personality.

Now I'm not playing the "homophobic" card, I think that label is used too often.


I certainly hope my point doesn't make some wave that card at me too.

But it goes back to what I was saying earlier that GB16 doesn't sexualize women in the traditional sense. I do think segments of the audience...weren't sure how to take it. What lesbians find attractive in women isn't always what straight men find attractive in women (same can often be said for gay men vs straight women, and what they find attractive in men).


I'm working on a web comic with the ATC team going on jobs, busting ghosts, and etc. And my co-writer/illustrator is one of those Tumblr girls. She's a Pansexual or an Asexual person, but really rejoices in the LGBTQ aspect of Holtzmann and "Holtzbert." I'm a straight heterosexual male who has mixed feelings towards LGBTQ, but I'm all for human rights, equality, and respecting people's life choices. Jillian is gay, I write with respect to that, (heck I got an idea with Gal Gadot being the character model for one story), but I also remember that she's not JUST that and not just the mad scientist trope, but a person and one who should be explored in different ways.
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GBPaulRivera wrote:
JurorNo.2 wrote:You know, something else has been occurring to me. Feig all but said he wanted to portray Holtzmann as a gay character. And Feig also hinted the studio wasn't cool with broadcasting that. And who are some of the biggest fans of this movie and Holtzmann -- Tumblr girls.


Honestly, and maybe this might put me in a negative light, but I'm sorta happy with that move. However, while I do agree that Holtzmann is gay, there's something about not out right saying it that ... adds to her. It's human, in an interesting way, because she is still a sexual icon, but subtle and you're more focused on other elements to her personality.


You're not being negative at all; This is pretty much how I see it, as well, and subtlety can go a long way regardless of whatever element a characters personality has (sexuality, ethnicity, etc.); overall, whether the element is explicit or not explicit, the key to a well-rounded character is 'balance'.
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By DarkSpectre
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Holtzmann works best as an androgynous character. Because the focus isn't about her sexuality but on personality, quirks and mind. And I know there are alot of "Holtzbert" shippers out there but the film established that Erin is verrrrrrry hetero. ("You're like a law suit waiting to happen"). Besides I think it would ruin the dynamic if suddenly 2 of the characters where in a relationship. It changes the motivations and tilts the group dynamic. The cartoons sort of explored this with Egon/Janine and Eduardo/Kylie but neither dominated the characters journeys or got in the way of story telling. Despite being the son of a gay man, I'm glad that Sony didn't allow Feig to out Holtzmann. Because all it would've done was add more fuel to the fire that was the shitstorm of 2016 and on a surface level, who cares? Does the fact that she's LGBTQ make her better at catching ghosts and building the equipment? Nope. Same goes if she was hetero. I've always gotten the impression (moreso in the comics than the film) that Yates and Holtzmann just didn't care about relationships. Yates' science was more important to her and Holtzmann is a "Peter Pan" type character that also has no interest or doesn't care about relationships. Her love is her equipment and ideas.
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DarkSpectre wrote:Holtzmann works best as an androgynous character. Because the focus isn't about her sexuality but on personality, quirks and mind. And I know there are alot of "Holtzbert" shippers out there but the film established that Erin is verrrrrrry hetero. ("You're like a law suit waiting to happen"). Besides I think it would ruin the dynamic if suddenly 2 of the characters where in a relationship. It changes the motivations and tilts the group dynamic. The cartoons sort of explored this with Egon/Janine and Eduardo/Kylie but neither dominated the characters journeys or got in the way of story telling. Despite being the son of a gay man, I'm glad that Sony didn't allow Feig to out Holtzmann. Because all it would've done was add more fuel to the fire that was the shitstorm of 2016 and on a surface level, who cares? Does the fact that she's LGBTQ make her better at catching ghosts and building the equipment? Nope. Same goes if she was hetero. I've always gotten the impression (moreso in the comics than the film) that Yates and Holtzmann just didn't care about relationships. Yates' science was more important to her and Holtzmann is a "Peter Pan" type character that also has no interest or doesn't care about relationships. Her love is her equipment and ideas.


YES. Thank you. With my comic series, this was a decision I had to speak with my friend/artist. She is a big fan of the Holtzbert, but I told her that doing this causes a change in the dynamic of the four Ghostbusters and focusing on that would put aside what we're here to see, and that is these funny people reacting to the supernatural and horror.

It's not odd for their to be romance. Sure Egon and Janine, but I think Eduardo and Kylie are a greater example. While Janine is a Ghostbuster, she's got a different dynamic to each character than being a part of the main team who are actively going out more often than her. Kylie and Eduardo, on the other hand do go out together to bust ghosts constantly, and so the romance while connecting doing the same thing really helps them develop. Yet, the fact is Holtzmann and Gilbert don't have that equilibrium because, as you said one is very hetero and one is homosexual, there is no natural buzz between them. It's more a Fan desire to see that, than the characters themselves. Also, I agree that Yates' is of that classic character type where there work and research are their true loves. Holtzmann too, but I'm sure she still blushes and finds certain ladies beautiful to want to date, but she is very much into her work too.

What I would like to see is Holtzmann reacting to men that Erin date since she could still have that underlying crush OR have formed a sisterly platonic connection with Erin.
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By *NormalGamer*
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GBPaulRivera wrote:
DarkSpectre wrote:Holtzmann works best as an androgynous character. Because the focus isn't about her sexuality but on personality, quirks and mind. And I know there are alot of "Holtzbert" shippers out there but the film established that Erin is verrrrrrry hetero. ("You're like a law suit waiting to happen"). Besides I think it would ruin the dynamic if suddenly 2 of the characters where in a relationship. It changes the motivations and tilts the group dynamic. The cartoons sort of explored this with Egon/Janine and Eduardo/Kylie but neither dominated the characters journeys or got in the way of story telling. Despite being the son of a gay man, I'm glad that Sony didn't allow Feig to out Holtzmann. Because all it would've done was add more fuel to the fire that was the shitstorm of 2016 and on a surface level, who cares? Does the fact that she's LGBTQ make her better at catching ghosts and building the equipment? Nope. Same goes if she was hetero. I've always gotten the impression (moreso in the comics than the film) that Yates and Holtzmann just didn't care about relationships. Yates' science was more important to her and Holtzmann is a "Peter Pan" type character that also has no interest or doesn't care about relationships. Her love is her equipment and ideas.


YES. Thank you. With my comic series, this was a decision I had to speak with my friend/artist. She is a big fan of the Holtzbert, but I told her that doing this causes a change in the dynamic of the four Ghostbusters and focusing on that would put aside what we're here to see, and that is these funny people reacting to the supernatural and horror.

It's not odd for their to be romance. Sure Egon and Janine, but I think Eduardo and Kylie are a greater example. While Janine is a Ghostbuster, she's got a different dynamic to each character than being a part of the main team who are actively going out more often than her. Kylie and Eduardo, on the other hand do go out together to bust ghosts constantly, and so the romance while connecting doing the same thing really helps them develop. Yet, the fact is Holtzmann and Gilbert don't have that equilibrium because, as you said one is very hetero and one is homosexual, there is no natural buzz between them. It's more a Fan desire to see that, than the characters themselves. Also, I agree that Yates' is of that classic character type where there work and research are their true loves. Holtzmann too, but I'm sure she still blushes and finds certain ladies beautiful to want to date, but she is very much into her work too.

What I would like to see is Holtzmann reacting to men that Erin date since she could still have that underlying crush OR have formed a sisterly platonic connection with Erin.


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For me, honestly, I always see them more as life partners or quaziplatonic partners than strictly as a romantic couple, even though some see it that way. I pretty much expanded my own knowledge about what relationships in general are beyond just the amatonorative which is why I would love to see more about other parings than sticking with just one paring.
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