I think the classic Ghostbusters time line can actually incorporate GBTVG very nicely it would also easily tie in to Extreme Ghostbusters! Shocked yet? Ok, lets get down to business. (Spoiler warnings about the game if you haven't played, but then again if you haven played, quit reading my ramblings and go do it )
Peter and Dana- Well with a bit of a history of an on again off again relationship, Dana, in a fit dumped Pete...again. Leaving to go on a trip somewhere (or something) with Oscar, she doesn't make an appearance in the game and the guys don't mention it because she just dumped Pete and it is a bit a sore spot. On the rebound he sees Ilyssa coming out of an elevator and goes in for the kill. We see their "romance" unfold in the game, what we don't see is that right after the game ends, Dana calls Peter and apologizes. He swiftly kicks the new girl to the curb and life goes on for the happy couple. This is where I'll get on a soap box for a minute if you don't mind (If you do jump down to the next point). I hate that they couldn't have gotten Weaver back as a voice for the game, but I think they should have just gotten someone else to do a Dana like voice so they could have that character in the game. Now hear me out, they explained that the first two movies events were linked via Shandor, and that was why they had the problem at the museum, which Dana coincidentally worked at( great idea for a trilogy, 3rd movie ties the first two together, and to it, wonderfully). I do believed they dropped the ball on this one though by not taking it far enough, by making Dana be the damsel yet again. I know it bugged a lot of people that she was the gal who strangely enough had two end of the world disasters happen to her, if you made her be the unknowing the descendant of Shandor it would make sense for her to be in the game, and for her to be drawn to the museum which is why she got a job there in the second movie. Solving that big coincidence and keeping one of the main characters, plus keeping Pete and Dana together would have been awesome. Also if she comes back for the third movie it would have made more sense for her to have been in the game and therefore with the guys the whole time . Gets down off soap box.
Equipment-I've read this contradicts the “extreme” equipment by being more advanced, I say nay! Here's my reasoning... With all the new research and building/modifying Egon and Ray do during GBTVG, the equipment got much more powerful and much heavier and harder to use so after the events of the game realizing that although very useful its impractical to employ that much tech on their packs on a regular basis. They were stripped down to their more manageable forms. When Extreme Ghostbusters comes along, the equipment has been in disuse and poor repair ever since the last time the team disbanded (since it seemed very permanent at the time). When encountering the new more powerful ghosts of the "extreme era" Egon decided to incorporate many of the design changes and upgrades into the build of the new packs, thus allowing for more power but keeping roughly the same weight. During the course of the show he upgraded and retooled the old packs back into working order, perhaps not as strong as the new packs but still functional. Also in GBTVG we see what looks like the EGB trap sitting on the work table in the basement, perhaps it is a prototype for a new more powerful trap. This will become the basis for the EGB traps once he is redoing the equipment. The bar graph on the PKE meter in GBTVG is similar to the bar graph on the EGB PKE, and in back in the saddle we see that the graph is really a display mode that can be switched to the one shown in RGB (also the timeline states the differences in the equipment between the movie style and the animated style is interpretative.) The EGBs using the bar graph because its easier to read and understand without as much training.
Ecto-1- Ok, I don't have much on this one other than Ray talking about not having a winch on the car in the game, but low and behold there is one on the Ecto in EGB perhaps one of a few changes made to it after the events of the game (like the addition of the roll bar things) of course its also missing rear side windows as well so one could assume its yet another car making I believe the 4th Ecto-1 (1, 1A, 1B, EGB E-1)
Franchising- At the end of the game, Peter offers you the chance to start a franchise. I mean the Ghostbusters have talked of franchising since day one, literally! "The franchise rights alone will make us rich beyond our wildest dreams", and we have seen at least one attempt at it (if you want to count the RPG as their first attempt to franchise, but was sadly cut short due to the impending lawsuits and what not after the events of GB1. The RPG material we have, like Tobin's spirit guide, invoice sheets and contracts, although made, were never used or given out since they couldn't start franchises.) They even talk about it at the beginning of TVG in their commercial. Well here's how it works, the rookie accepts (perhaps even getting to take the ECTO-1B as a company car, hence them getting the new one that would become the extreme ecto) but the franchise doesn't last long and causes a big mess for the team to clean up, monetarily speaking of course (which would be one of the things that help to break up the team) and throws what seems to be the last shovel of dirt onto the grave of any GB franchising, although after the success of the EGBs perhaps there could be franchise hopes after the world of 1997.
The Rookie- How come the rookie isn't mentioned in EGB?...They weren't friends with the rookie just employers, and he was with them only a short time before going off with his own franchise which in and of itself didn't last long so maybe they didn't keep in touch after he wasn't working with them anymore. This could explain why he isn't mentioned anywhere in EGB, he is at best a footnote in the history of the team. While not ignored or shunned they probably just don't talk about him often. Also Peter makes note about not wanting to know the rookies name because what happened to "the last one" I think this was just a joke on his part and there were no rookies before him (unless he was taking about becoming such good friends and business partners with Winston ).
The game is the third movie- Egon asks Peter if he has sold the idea of another movie about them, not a 3rd movie about them so we don't know how many GB movies are in the animated universe, and even if there were only 2 and we accept that GB1 and GB2 are movie accounts of what happened to the real team one might could consider the game to also be this way. Events really happened maybe not perfectly like in the game but close enough. Peter sold it as a game instead of a movie because it was easier than the 3rd movie, while all along still trying to get another movie off the ground. Or you could assume what we play isn't a game in the GB universe at all but it really is a 3rd movie and Egon was referring to Pete's desire to have a fourth movie about them (although I like the idea that its a game better, although we'll have to pretend that the graphics are a lot worse in their reality )
Dr. Winston- Although in EGB Winston is not referred to as doctor he could still be one, after all they frequently call each other by their first names not by formal titles. Although having a Doctorate, after no longer being a Ghostbuster he may have returned to more normal jobs to support himself or his family, such as piloting, this makes sense to because he is an honest worker and not hung up on titles. So even though he is a doctor he wouldn't flaunt it around or be above getting a "lesser" job.
I think this sums up all the problems with the game,(Although I'd love to hear any that I missed) but this is the unified time line theory so we got to put all the IDW comics in there as well, and a few other quirks that I've noticed. The Classic Timeline seems to fit Legion and The Return in as best it can so I'll leave those alone for now. Lets see where other things might fit in. Warning: May contain spoilers for all the IDW comics and the manga. Here they are in no real particular order.
Tainted Love- In reading this comic I see that other than it taking place around Valentines day, there’s not a distinct time given, it could be any year. Also I think it takes place over Valintine's week, thus giving time for Egon to make those packs, which means if the was another Ghostbuster story that takes place on V-day itself it could still happen the same time as this. It feels like to it would happen closer to the first movie due to Winston still smoking, and with Peter and Dana being on again, off again (to make room for the ladies of RGB) it would put it as a good time for for him to try and pick up that reporter chick at the end of the story. Time placement with this one isn't that big of an issue though because with the exception of the creation of the mini packs nothing of significance takes place. Which, by the way, if you encased the bicep part of the mini packs in a yellow box, and put it on the back of a belt, then made the hand part into a gun it would essentially be Kylie's set up. After Egon shelved the mini packs and time passed, he upgraded the normal packs for TVG, then in 97 when making the new equipment he realized that with the bigger trap, carrying a pack with it was very unfeasible. With the new upgrades, and the miniaturization of tech over the last few years, he made a working mini pack(still lower in power to the other EGB packs, but defiantly capable of holding its own in a fight).
Ghost busted- Its a multi-part ghostbusting story, where its primary arc deals with Jack Hardemeyer trying to get revenge on the Ghostbusters. So its obviously sometime after the second movie. As far as I could tell nothing happens that would mess with anything else in the timeline either so it fits in pretty nicely
Past, Present, and Future- I'm inclined to put this one in the winter of 1990, (which is also conveniently enough where it sits on the New Timeline). This way there is as much distance as possible from the first time they met up with the spirits of Christmas. After the events of which the guys feel bad about how they were gonna short Winston that money. They realize how valuable, and important he is to them, as well as being their friend, and soon to have a doctorate himself, so they decide to make him a full partner in the company.(this brings it into line with the setup of TVG). I also want to point out that I believe Winston's doctorate was given to him in spring 91, its total conjecture, the reason being most graduations happen then, and this would make it both closest to the events of TVG, as well as giving the longest time span from when he joined the team to get his Ph.D. (it does take time after all)
The Other Side- No strict time table on this one either, it just takes place sometime or another although the lack of snow or coats on people put it in the late spring/summer, or even early fall. It should placed (as it already is in the New Timeline) before Displaced aggression because the ghost warlord didn't trust death to stop the Ghostbusters, hence flinging them through time. The events of DA clearly explain why. Although it does say they are dead for about a week, so there's gotta be time for that.
Displaced Aggression- A lot of time travel, and even some updated packs in this one, of course all done through magic though. They also show that Egon has already taught some paranormal classes, helping to set the precedent for EGB. The events of the book take place after the second movie since Vigo is mentioned in it as a time reference, but before both TVG and after The Other Side. Although interesting to note, it does deal with Gozer's family, and even his father being angered with the Ghostbusters defeating him. Kinda seems interesting considering that TVG is another attempt to bring the big G back to destroy the world. Although I dislike the idea of Gozer being a predominate bad guy though the entire series I do find it interesting that if this took place in 1991 then that would mean that they had the Christmas vision of Goz in PP&F, deal with his family here, then finally finish him off in TVG. Add that to the fact TVG links the events of GBII with the whole Gozer thing, plus the events of the first flim are quite obviously him as well. I think the subtle tie ins with him through out make him out to be a big deal without making him like a cartoon villain, that's there every week. Plus with so much in some way or another being centered on him it makes even more sense that after his final defeat ghost activity would plummet leading to the end of the GBs .
Con-voluted- Just a GB vacation gone wrong story, no horrible continuity altering problems. Although there is the use of camera phones and digital cameras, I'll just assume its interpretive much like the cell phones and pop culture references in Legion.
What in Samhain is going on- Yet again nothing time line shattering so it could really go anywhere, but I'd probably put it in Oct. 91. It already talks about business being slow which would help agree with the after TVG slowdown leading to the break up.
**** Sanctum of Slime- Don't know where this would fit in yet. The two biggest theories are that its set in the here and now, which would mean that the franchising finally took hold after the events of EGB. The second is that its the Rookies team taking on ghosts, which would also be fine, it would be considered one of their few adventures before disbandment.
**** Infestation- Zombies ...that's all I know
**** Marvel UK and Slimer comics aren't present in the current timeline either so I'll try and tackle them at some point in the future, when I have access to them.
The End of the Ghostbusters(complete speculation)- Its late 1991 TVG just ended and the Rookie leaves with the Ecto-1B to start up his franchise. Egon buys a new Ecto, and he strips the packs down to more manageable forms, putting the parts in storage in case of future need. Shortly there after the level of paranormal activity drops to an all time low (this is partially due to the events of TVG). The Rookie's franchise is going horribly and there is even a major accident, no one dies but all the equipment including the E-1B is more or less destroyed, and the Ghostbusters are left holding the bill. After getting everything settled from that they are barely managing, Pete realizes this and is the first to leave, going to L.A. To seek fame fortune and Dana (he keeps his shares of the business, knowing he can make some money with them). The other three continue on for a short while, but Winston leaves to find more stable work. In need of money till he gets on his feet, sells his shares of the company back to the other 3 at a reasonable price. With just Ray and Egon, ghostbusting is harder than ever, and with very few cases coming in Ray goes to do an investigation out of state. He gets more than he bargained for. In what should have been a routine investigation, four class 4 entities with high intelligence(for ghosts ) and poltergeist like powers. They quickly over power him and even manage to break his partial thrower, realizing he has no hope he runs out and abandons the case (Casper the movie). Disheartened by this defeat and the realization that they could not continue to conduct business in this way, Egon disbands Ghostbusters (sometime in 1992, probably closer to the beginning of the year). Ray moves on to do research, while Janine is forced to find work elsewhere, and Egon stays at the firehouse to maintain the ECU. He then takes a job with the university teaching a paranormal class, although his classes have only a few students he fills a niche at the college, and is thus secure in his position. Although the job pays little, he can supplement it with grants and other types of education funds to keep the containment unit running. During this time Ray has a lab accident, after which he is left with a ton of debt, as well as being virtually blacklisted in the research field. Ray goes to Egon for help, offering to sell the only thing of value he has, his share of Ghostbusters, Egon reluctantly agrees as a way to help out his friend. With himself out of debt Ray finds a job at a car dealership, and supplements that by occasionally attending paranormal conferences and the like. Perhaps after the disbandment is also when Peter, sells the idea of TVG, making a quick profit for himself and keeping hope alive for yet another film. Things stay, more or less, this way for everyone until 97.
So there you have it, IDW, GBTVG, even Casper, all with the ability to be placed within the framework of the Classic Timeline, with little to no disruption. I know that not everything may be agreed with, and I'd be happy to fix any mistakes I've made, but I think this timeline works well and adds new depth to the overall story, especially the evolution of their technology from the first movie all the way to EGB.
I'd like to tip my hat to Fritz and everyone else who works on the timelines, without you I could not have done this, thank you. For anyone who has read all this I'm greatly appreciative, thanks for your time.
**** marks something I haven't read or been able to review yet.
Thoughts, Ideas, Comments, Questions?
Scrawny girls who talk to ghoulies really float my boat.Over 1,600 EGB screen shots