- May 28th, 2016, 9:27 pm#4865539
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"Janine, didn't yo mamma ever tell you not to get involved with no Ghostbuster? Now go on home."
--- Dr. Venkman (GB1, deleted scene)
--- Dr. Venkman (GB1, deleted scene)
scythemantis wrote:Nostalgic geek culture is pure poison. Even without its sexism and racism (which very definitely exist,) the fetishistic obsession over 80's properties already went too far and makes people look pathetic.It just goes to show that sentimentality has both its good side, and its ugly side.
I like ghostbusters because it's fun. It's not a damn RELIGION.
scythemantis wrote:Actually, this is better than I could have hoped because even if the movie isn't great, it's spurring geeks to show their true colors.Purists vs ...Taintists?
Everyone who rages and froths about this movie is another person I know to avoid. It isn't even always about gender - the type of person who feels actual anger and hurt over a reboot being too different is the kind of person I don't need to associate with because they clearly aren't capable of sorting their emotional priorities and haven't matured past ten years old. Nostalgic geek culture is pure poison. Even without its sexism and racism (which very definitely exist,) the fetishistic obsession over 80's properties already went too far and makes people look pathetic.
I like ghostbusters because it's fun. It's not a damn RELIGION.
Egon's Pompadour wrote:If anything, it suggests that you probably didn't care that much about Ghostbusters in the first place.People who are looking forward to seeing the reboot aren't any more blasé about the original franchise as people who aren't looking forward to the reboot. I really wish we could move past this ridiculous "you're not a true enough/big enough/loyal enough fan" garbage.
If you value something for what it is.
Egon's Pompadour wrote:Agreed.scythemantis wrote:Actually, this is better than I could have hoped because even if the movie isn't great, it's spurring geeks to show their true colors.Purists vs ...Taintists?
Everyone who rages and froths about this movie is another person I know to avoid. It isn't even always about gender - the type of person who feels actual anger and hurt over a reboot being too different is the kind of person I don't need to associate with because they clearly aren't capable of sorting their emotional priorities and haven't matured past ten years old. Nostalgic geek culture is pure poison. Even without its sexism and racism (which very definitely exist,) the fetishistic obsession over 80's properties already went too far and makes people look pathetic.
I like ghostbusters because it's fun. It's not a damn RELIGION.
Yes, I like my fandom untainted by modern political activism and unnecessary "reimaginings" that changes everything I loved about it in the first place. People are passionate about different kinds of art, not just movies. Simply because you don't give a shit if corporate powers skew that passion purely for the sake of making money doesn't make you more superior or emotionally mature than diehard fans. If anything, it suggests that you probably didn't care that much about Ghostbusters in the first place.
If you value something for what it is. Then someone comes along and changes every quality of that thing you valued (despite calling it the exact same name) it is no longer what you valued in the first place. It doesn't say anything about a person's emotional maturity - only what they truly place value in. I'm not a music aficionado, but I could imagine that if a person's favorite band was replaced with all new band members and the style of the music changed, though they continued identifying with the same name as the former band, its diehard fanbase would understandably be irate. Why? Because they valued that particular artistic expression for what it was, and now you have imposters dragging their name through the dirt.
Raystantz Italy wrote:It's like Hollywood making a Laurel and Hardy fanta-biopic and portraying them as two sex and cocaine addicted bums.Hmm, yes. Well, which part isn't true?
Sure, the real ones are still intact (sort of) but it would be outrageous.Then it would be just another outrageous chapter in that franchise's history. Every franchise has them.
JurorNo.2 wrote:Let's be honest here, it's not the reboot some fans are afraid of. They're afraid the viewing public will start to prefer the reboot over the originals. To those fans I say, have a little faith in your favorite movie. And have a little faith in other people.Um...no. Nobody is concerned the public will prefer this shitfest over the originals. The problem a lot of fans have is that something we love is now being associated with something we hate. And it's hijacking the name and likeness of Ghostbusters like some kind of parody.
Egon's Pompadour wrote:Then there's nothing to be angry about.
Um...no. Nobody is concerned the public will prefer this shitfest over the originals.
The problem a lot of fans have is that something we hate is now being associated with something we love....Because that's never happened before?
BatDan wrote:I just don't understand how finding a remake of a classic film insulting, is something to be looked down upon.Sometimes, a fresh director with a fresh crew can do good things. Look at how George handled the prequels and how Star wars 7 was done. Look how Indy4 was handled.
It's those writers, and those actors, and filmmakers at that time and place, coming together and making a good movie. (and im speaking on behalf of any great movie). Im a fan of the movie, because im a fan of THOSE filmmakers.
WhoaFoogles wrote:I do appreciate the ironic use of the previous franchise-ruining Ghostbusters iteration to make this point.Not sure I get your point...
Alphagaia wrote:a fair point.BatDan wrote:I just don't understand how finding a remake of a classic film insulting, is something to be looked down upon.Sometimes, a fresh director with a fresh crew can do good things. Look at how George handled the prequels and how Star wars 7 was done. Look how Indy4 was handled.
It's those writers, and those actors, and filmmakers at that time and place, coming together and making a good movie. (and im speaking on behalf of any great movie). Im a fan of the movie, because im a fan of THOSE filmmakers.
Not saying GB16 will be such a hit as SW7, or as bad as Indy4, but we had many people writing succesfull GB lore before, think cartoons and IDW comics and with Dan and Ivan helping out by giving ideas and stuff like the technobabble, I think we can give the movie a fair chance to proof itself in that regard.
pyhasanon wrote:EGB was announced to a similar vitriolic response. The reboot hate is ten times worse, but back when EGB was a fresh new face for Ghostbusters after a 7-year content draught the fans hated the weird new equipment and different characters. It's only been in the last few years that I've started seeing more widespread appreciation for EGB.WhoaFoogles wrote:I do appreciate the ironic use of the previous franchise-ruining Ghostbusters iteration to make this point.Not sure I get your point...
SpaceBallz wrote:Passionate fans not wanting their franchise rebooted with new characters and cast with no connection to the originals is now considered "toxic." Sorry guys, we have to like everything with the GB name on it or we are "part of the problem."No, the people suggesting that pro-rebooters "don't really care about Ghostbusters" or the ones shaming cosplayers in reboot costumes are toxic. Most of the anti-reboot crowd on these boards is pretty level-headed.
SpaceBallz wrote:Passionate fans not wanting their franchise rebooted with new characters and cast with no connection to the originals is now considered "toxic." Sorry guys, we have to like everything with the GB name on it or we are "part of the problem."No, haters constantly complaining and spewing vitriolic hate is toxic. Merriam-Webster describes it as "extremely harsh, malicious, or harmful".
SpaceBallz wrote:Passionate fans not wanting their franchise rebooted with new characters and cast with no connection to the originals is now considered "toxic." Sorry guys, we have to like everything with the GB name on it or we are "part of the problem."As the others mentioned above, not all of the anti-reboot people are considered "toxic", just the variety that can't state an opinion without being rude and disrespectful towards others... There are reasonable anti-reboot people out there, they're not toxic, they're just normal people who have an opinion...
featofstrength wrote:Vitriolic! Moar...moar fantastic adjectives!I don't mind communicating with colorful screens from The Simpsons if it helps you out.
BatDan wrote:And? That still does not mean the film automatically has a bad story. I get that ultimately for most people the biggest hurdle is that it's a reboot, but you pointed out only the original crew can make successful stories in a franchise which I disproved with those examples.Alphagaia wrote:a fair point.
Sometimes, a fresh director with a fresh crew can do good things. Look at how George handled the prequels and how Star wars 7 was done. Look how Indy4 was handled.
Not saying GB16 will be such a hit as SW7, or as bad as Indy4, but we had many people writing succesfull GB lore before, think cartoons and IDW comics and with Dan and Ivan helping out by giving ideas and stuff like the technobabble, I think we can give the movie a fair chance to proof itself in that regard.
But, all those SW and Indy films were all in set within the official lore, continuity, and story of said universe, even with new directors/writers ( i believe each Indy film had different writers) . Not remade. what made SW7 a success was because it opened up for the future while still keeping connection with the past having the original characters (han, lea, luke, etc. ) that people loved returning.
Again, the writers of the IDW series, are sticking close to the source material and keeping within the original feel and characters..without even the help of Ivan or Dan.
d_osborn wrote:featofstrength wrote:Vitriolic! Moar...moar fantastic adjectives!I don't mind communicating with colorful screens from The Simpsons if it helps you out.
It's not about being totally on-board with where the property is headed-- it's about the endless complaining and whining. Have you ever had that friend that just wouldn't stop whining about an ex for months on end?
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