Alphagaia wrote:HunterCC, we keep rebounding on the same issue: you don't agree a median is usefull and I do.
Alpha, I said that sometimes median is good, sometimes average is. And I posted specific reasons why average works better in this case.
Alphagaia wrote:The NASA example doesn't proof a mean or median is a better way of getting the best result in a biased voting poll. Could you explain why you think it does instead of stating it does? You say its because knowledgeable people choose to use average rather than median. I say it depends on the situation and think your NASA example has no variables that are biased.
But you were claiming median was superior (and discounting average in our debate in favor of median). And there is the fallacy of trying to discount bias in an opinion poll, lol.
Alphagaia wrote:A median is useful to sort out those kind biased votes in statistics, which is very useful in this case. It's one the main reasons why statisticians use it and prefer it.
http://www.dummies.com/education/math/s ... ical-data/
So, contrary to the above, thanks for agreeing with me average is sometimes the better measure?
Alphagaia wrote:Maybe it's because I'm Dutch and English is not my native language, but by streamline I mean while the bias still exists, as it's impossible to remove entirely, it is filtered not away enough to not extremely delute the numbers.
Congratulations on being multi-lingual, I assume. I can only go on what you say rather than try reading your mind.
Mitigate or temper would have been a better choice here, IMO.
Alphagaia wrote:You say I don't think a movie deserves a one, but what I really said is almost no movie deserves it. I know my English ain't the fault of that one, you just seem to misread it.
No, I understood your meaning clearly on this one. You also said:
Alphagaia wrote:(10 and 1 votes are biased fanboys anyway and those numbers are almost even).
Alphagaia wrote:Or does one really think the movie was given either a 10 or 1 rating by the general audience
and
Alphagaia wrote:Yes I know even the general audience will give out 1 or 10s, but bias is still bias so to remove the bias the median is invented.
So you were discounting the 1s and 10s as not being valid, by characterizing them as fanboys and claiming using median was to remove that "bias". Now if you'd like to clarify your above remarks, and walk back your stance on that, I would welcome it too.
Alphagaia wrote:After that you say I cannot deny the controversy, but that is exactly why people are voting a 1 or 10 and those are voting because of the controversy, not because of the quality of the movie itself. I'm not denying it, I'm saying it pollutes the vote. At least you seem to agree on that. Which is why I think a median gives us a clearer view.
But you are denying the controversy is relevant by trying to exclude votes of 1 and 10 from the tally. When controvesry was part of this marketing and movie. People had strong opinions for and against this movie before and after it came out. There was plenty of promo material to look at, and early reviews. If you want an accurate survey of the general public in this case, it's inaccurate to not include everybody. And in this case, the IMDb data seems to match the box office flop and poor reception by many fans, a lot more than the median vote of 7 does.
No, I don't agree that it pollutes the vote. I am saying include these votes by using average.
Alphagaia wrote:People opting not to see the movie because of the controversy do not know if the movie is any good. We, or at least I am, are looking what the general audience thinks of the movie who actually seen it. A bad B.O. does not automatically mean its a bad movie. There are many examples of good movies that had a bad B.O. so I don't think I have to name them here.
In the case of GB16, the negative audience vote and bad box office line up nicely.
Alphagaia wrote:Furthermore you state your links have proved why a mean is better, but my link has already proved the mean is polluted by people voting 1's and 10's. This is exactly the bias I wanted to remove to get a fair number.
I explained to you myself why your reasoning is wrong, above. If you disagree I did explain a little more in previous posts, if that helps.
Alphagaia wrote:Lastly, if you want to continue this conversation, that's completely fine, but your tone is really starting to sour and things like 'head in the sand' over and over, I could do without.
I feel I'm keeping my tone courteous, it would be great if you did the same.
Alpha, you haven't kept the tone courteous with comments like:
Alphagaia wrote:@HunterCC: You don't seem to know what a median is.
Alphagaia wrote:If you fail to understand that, and just decide to ignore the median and what it stands for, I think we are done here.
Alphagaia wrote:I think your biggest problem seems to be....
Alphagaia wrote:Since you are the only one having a problem understanding this..
I would welcome you and I both being friendlier to each other. Just please don't pull a Leslie Jones, fire shots like above and then cry victimhood. If you'd like to drop comments like these that you and I have made to each other, then let's just drop them and move on.