Discuss the upcoming movie to be released in 2020 and directed by Jason Reitman.
By RichardLess
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it goes without saying we all just want a good movie first and foremost. But I thought it would be fun to maybe make a list and see all the different things fans here want and don't want from a new Ghostbusters film. It could be anything.
For example, something I definatley want is the old equipment being used
Something I don't want is drastically altered equipment. Keep the original look. Maybe alter it as much as the video game did.

Something I want: Seeing the old GB's in action. Something I don't: Just cameos of the original cast.

Something I want: a reason for the old characters to be in the film other than "they were in the original".
Something I don't want: Cameos for cameos sake. If it doesn't make sense for Rick Moranis to be in this particular Ghostbusters movie, which is set in a different state, then that's fine. I don't need Rick Moranis.
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By Davideverona
#4923038
Amen.

So far it has everything I want: a talented director who loves and respect the franchise, a talented crew (I love that Jason gives them a moment of glory on his Instagram page) and a good cast.

I don't want another "gatekeeper +keymaster - BOOM- Gozer" storyline.
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By RedSpecial
#4923053
I pretty much agree with everything above.

Original style equipment and cast is probably the biggest thing for me.
Add to that a tone similar to that of the original movie and as many practical effects as possible, within reason.

What I don't want is more focus than there needs to be on other characters outside of the original cast.

Or subversion of established canon from the previous two installments for the sake of a plot point.
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By droidguy1119
#4923067
Want:
• A connection between Carrie Coon's family and the 1984 movie that isn't just "they're relatives of [1984 cast member's character]!"
• A story that focuses on the new characters with the original characters as supporting
• A balance between honoring the spirit of the originals while primarily breaking new tonal, stylistic, and structural ground
• New ghosts, new threats
• No unwarranted references or tributes to the original films (as someone mentioned, for example, please no Rick just for the sake of having Rick, or Slimer just for the sake of having Slimer)
• Incorporation of Harold as elegantly as possible
• A closing status quo which opens up a world of possibilities beyond just more adventures with this specific cast

Don't Want:
• Original cast stepping in to save the day
• Original cast taking over, even briefly, for the sake of letting them "ride off into the sunset" or something
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By RichardLess
#4923149
want: as little CGI as possible. Dust off the old optical printers and do the FX for the ghosts and the proton beams the old fashioned way. I know this will never happen, but a fan can dream...

Want: A Composer that can mesh the comedy and horror like Elmer Bernstein did(again I put forth Howard Shore as my choice)

Do not want: a modern interpretation of the Ghostbusters song like the one in GB16. Just leave it alone. Maybe don't even use it until just before the end credits start to roll.

Do not want: a set up for any kind of sequel. No after credits scenes setting up the Villian or plot in the next one. Just give us a self contained story that can stand on its own two feet.
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By BatDan
#4923152
Want:
• A connection between Carrie Coon's family and the 1984 movie that isn't just "they're relatives of [1984 cast member's character]!"
• A story that focuses on the new characters with the original characters as supporting
• A balance between honoring the spirit of the originals while primarily breaking new tonal, stylistic, and structural ground
• New ghosts, new threats
• No unwarranted references or tributes to the original films (as someone mentioned, for example, please no Rick just for the sake of having Rick, or Slimer just for the sake of having Slimer)
• Incorporation of Harold as elegantly as possible
• A closing status quo which opens up a world of possibilities beyond just more adventures with this specific cast

Don't Want:
• Original cast stepping in to save the day
• Original cast taking over, even briefly, for the sake of letting them "ride off into the sunset" or something
Bro, do you even Ghostbusters?
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By Kingpin
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#4923154
What I want:

•For the new film to be successful, and if willing, lead to a new series of well-developed films, rather than quick cash-ins on the franchise name.

What I don't want:

•For the characterisation of any original characters or equipment to be assinated in order to make the new characters succeed.
•To have to go through another two years of moderating bellyaching fans who are letting their ugly sides show.
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By robbritton
#4923171
All I want is something made with love and affection towards the original premise. I REALLY don’t want another reset, where the Ghostbusters have to prove themselves again. It’s been done to death.

And to paraphrase Kingpin, I don’t want to hear a single second of gross entitled whinging about anything that isn’t a carbon copy of the original. I want Ghostbusters to be able to live on and be amazing, and I’m pretty sure this is the last chance, which refers me back to my first point; If it is the last time out, let’s hope it can exist as a wonderful standalone film that still honours its forebears. I’d rather have it be Blade Runner 2049 and do no business then have it be Scary Movie and get a bunch of sequels, to use the clumsiest ass analogy going!
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By BatDan
#4923181
All I want is something made with love and affection towards the original premise. I REALLY don’t want another reset, where the Ghostbusters have to prove themselves again. It’s been done to death.

I’d rather have it be Blade Runner 2049 and do no business then have it be Scary Movie and get a bunch of sequels, to use the clumsiest ass analogy going!
I'd like this to be a Standalone sequel as well, not a jumping off point to get 4,5,6....

i just want Ghostbusters 3, im prepared that it will be something completely entirely different from what i've envisioned the last 25 years.

All i want is a third outing for Venkman, Ray, Zeddemore, and hopefully Louis too, prominently featured, all together, no Han's over there..and luke is on an island..

..AND ALIVE..no ghost-form OG's.. (i absolutely hated the Ghost Venkman idea..ever since it came about in the early 00s, it might work in the cartoon/comics, but in a movie..i automatically think the zombie-dance scene in Blues Brothers 2000 )

Anyway, All the remaining characters in the flesh for a third live action story. How they do it is up to the filmmakers, whether they're gonna be like Old Cowboys or Batman Beyond-ing it or what, i'd just like to see those actors in those roles making me laugh in a new movie.
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By Sav C
#4923222
As far as wants go, I really want them to strike the right tone between comedy and the supernatural. I would say that GBII has a more lighthearted tone than the first. While I would like to see the tone be closer to the original, if that is not possible than I would prefer a more upbeat tone compared to a more dark tone.

I do want to see NYC. If this happens to be the last time we see the 'busters, I'd really like to see them in New York.

What I don't want: any of the original characters getting killed off, like
Han Solo.
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That would be a real dampener on tone.

As is probably blatantly apparent, I really want this movie to be funny. The comedic brilliance of the originals is underappreciated. The layering of Ghostbusters, and all its working parts, are what make it such an iconic, rewatchable film.
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By droidguy1119
#4923251
Want:
• A connection between Carrie Coon's family and the 1984 movie that isn't just "they're relatives of [1984 cast member's character]!"
• A story that focuses on the new characters with the original characters as supporting
• A balance between honoring the spirit of the originals while primarily breaking new tonal, stylistic, and structural ground
• New ghosts, new threats
• No unwarranted references or tributes to the original films (as someone mentioned, for example, please no Rick just for the sake of having Rick, or Slimer just for the sake of having Slimer)
• Incorporation of Harold as elegantly as possible
• A closing status quo which opens up a world of possibilities beyond just more adventures with this specific cast

Don't Want:
• Original cast stepping in to save the day
• Original cast taking over, even briefly, for the sake of letting them "ride off into the sunset" or something
Bro, do you even Ghostbusters?
Ironically, it's close to what you yourself started out saying in your last comment: I just want more time in this world with this premise. I'm ruling out the stuff I think serves no purpose beyond realizing fanfiction someone's been crafting in their head since 1989.

Sequels are always tricky, because they're inherently a semi-artificial construct -- get the characters back together, find a new obstacle for them to overcome (well, sometimes), and reassemble as much of the cast and crew years later. Some premises lend themselves to sequels better than others (for example, Rocky becoming the Mick to a younger boxer in Creed), but in this case, making sure the (surviving) guys have some big part in this story that takes place almost 40 years later, states away from NYC, sounds like a stretch.

Since the idea came from a guy like Jason (as well as own comments at Fan Fest) tell us that this story grew organically out of a combination of the basic concept and world, with the new characters he was creating. I hope he hasn't conformed that idea around beats that would've made more sense in a movie that came out 20 years ago, just to please a section of the audience that is less important to the future of the franchise than newcomers.

If people want Ghostbusters to survive and prosper, they're inevitably going to have to let it change, and differ from their expectations. Luke being on an island, Han and Leia being apart, that stuff serves the story. That should be the only goal.
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By RedSpecial
#4923254
That's the thing.
Not all of us want it to go on ad nauseum.

Personally, I would much rather have a well crafted and thoughtful return to form as one last hurrah for the remaining original characters and end it there.
Instead of pulling a sequel trilogy and only have the original cast back in a minor way to get rid of them and move on to endless new, soulless permutations of the franchise.


I don't want it to survive and prosper at the expense of the franchise.
It's better to have quality over quantity with a small number of highly regarded movies thst will stand the test of time as the original has than to just keep churning them out in an attempt to stay relevant to new audiences.

That mistake was already made.
If this really is a love letter to the original as stated then it's the established fan base that's the primary concern.
And if it's good, then the new fans will follow.

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By droidguy1119
#4923258
That's the thing.
Not all of us want it to go on ad nauseum.

Personally, I would much rather have a well crafted and thoughtful return to form as one last hurrah for the remaining original characters and end it there.
Instead of pulling a sequel trilogy and only have the original cast back in a minor way to get rid of them and move on to endless new, soulless permutations of the franchise.


I don't want it to survive and prosper at the expense of the franchise.
It's better to have quality over quantity with a small number of highly regarded movies thst will stand the test of time as the original has than to just keep churning them out in an attempt to stay relevant to new audiences.

That mistake was already made.
If this really is a love letter to the original as stated then it's the established fan base that's the primary concern.
And if it's good, then the new fans will follow.
Fair re: it going on and on, but my root opinion is that fan service is the Achilles heel of all sequels. Being a "love letter to the fans" is nice, but it has nothing to do with the quality of a movie, and references, winks, homages, etc. are frequently the worst parts of these sorts of sequels. I enjoyed the 2016 movie, and the constant hat-tips are among the worst aspects.

The hope should be that fans love the movie, but not at the expense of an audience member who is just watching this film, whether they end up going back to the others or not. Even as a fan myself, I absolutely hope Jason Reitman follows his own ideas and passions imstead of thinking about what someone like me thinks the movie needs. Like it or not, we can be backseat drivers. That's never a recipe for success. You gotta find what you enjoy and is thrilling to you as a fan in what you get. Maybe you won't be able to get into some of what gets made, but artists, who are compelled by theme and story and character over IP (which any hardcore fan is going to know way more about than even someone like Aykroyd) should not be constricted to a vision that not all fans are even going to agree with.

My earliest memory of anything is Ghostbusters-related. I've been a fan for life! Yet, as we call already see, my wish list and your wish list are drastically different, and I don't think our distance is even that pronounced -- there are no doubt people who think it shouldn't be made at all without Harold, or that nothing less than the three living gys suiting up and putting on the packs will be good enough, etc. Which is fine...but it proves that "the fans" aren't a hive mind.
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By RedSpecial
#4923263
I completely agree that fan service and call backs for the sake of it are the bane of a franchises existence and one of the main causes of sequelitis.

I'm sure there will be some call backs, it's inevitable but that's not of interest really.

Jason is an extremely competent filmmaker and I'm sure with the guidance of Ivan, Dan and team he has assembled it will be a well crafted movie in its own right, without having to rely on callbacks to bolster it.

The crux of the issue and basis of a lot of people's concern and scepticism is that the other movies only worked as they did because of the characters.
The chemistry the original cast and the director had was the number one reason for the films sucess.

You could have thrown anyone else in there with the same script, fantastic production values and supporting props and it would not have worked the way that it did.
They were the anchor that brought all of it together and made it what it became.

Without that essencial element as the driving force in the movie, no matter how well crafted it is, it simply won't capture the audience in the same way.
To have them as ancillary character there to bolster a new cast would be both a wasted opportunity and a big risk to the sucess of the movie or the franchise at large going forward.

By all means have it as a passing of the torch, but it would be better to end the current teams involvement strongly with them as the focus, interspersed with some character development for a new team to allow the audience to warm to them, then pass the torch and have future iterations focus on the new guys going forward in subsequent stories rather than get them out of the way as soon as possible just to focus on shoe horning in a new team that we don't particularly care about or have the time to develop any real interest in.
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By droidguy1119
#4923266
The crux of the issue and basis of a lot of people's concern and scepticism is that the other movies only worked as they did because of the characters.
The chemistry the original cast and the director had was the number one reason for the films sucess.

Without that essencial element as the driving force in the movie, no matter how well crafted it is, it simply won't capture the audience in the same way.
To have them as ancillary character there to bolster a new cast would be both a wasted opportunity and a big risk to the sucess of the movie or the franchise at large going forward.

By all means have it as a passing of the torch, but it would be better to end the current teams involvement strongly with them as the focus, interspersed with some character development for a new team to allow the audience to warm to them, then pass the torch and have future iterations focus on the new guys going forward in subsequent stories rather than get them out of the way as soon as possible just to focus on shoe horning in a new team that we don't particularly care about or have the time to develop any real interest in.
If the first thing you say is true, why should this movie, which appears to star different people and has a different director, sacrifice the possibility of creating that magic with an entirely new team in favor of an incomplete reunion of the original cast with a different filmmaker?

It also plainly makes no sense to argue that focusing on the new characters instead of the returning cast is somehow not enough time to get to know those characters, yet the film can be a successful passing of the torch by...containing even less of them?
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By bishopdonmiguel
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#4923278
WANT: Compelling, interesting, character focused story set in the original universe. A bit funny, a bit scary and entirely rewatchable.

NO WANT: Story primarily focused on the original characters that is simply another rehash of the old crew. The original characters should support the story in some important way but not drive the story.
By philmorgan81
#4923279
Wow droidguy1919 and RedSpecial you guys have a nice back and forth discussion going on there. ;)

You guys are both bringing up some excellent points. I am one of those that would actually want to have the original characters back in more than just supporting roles, but I can totally see where droidguy1919 is coming from. I know that if this film does real well the franchise will just keep moving forward and grow. I am leaning more into Redspecial's mindset of wanting this movie to be the closing chapter for the originals. I really don't want the movie to be to open ended as if to say, "Yeah these kids can carry the franchise for another 6 movies." I want the movie to do well and I want the franchise to thrive, but I would much rather it thrive in this manner. Say this movie really knocks it out of the park and satisfies the old fans and brings in some new fans, at that point the studio could actually develop Ecto Force. It shouldn’t really matter if the stories in that series are canon with the films. Since the proposed timeline for that show is set way in the future. That gives the studio and Ghost Corps the option to not have to reference any events from any of the movies since the show could be either in it's own reality like ATC or the events are so far in the future that events from the films don't ever need to be brought up. They could just run with the Ghostbusters concept with fresh characters and new stories. :) :) :)

I also wouldn't mind if they moved forward with that feature length animated movie. I have no idea what characters they wanted to use in that movie, but the whole story through the perspective of a ghost seems interesting. The Spiderverse film shows that Sony can get good results when putting a spin on a property. :) :) :)

Finally I would really love for the IDW comics to keep on going. GB 2020 may be where the OG Ghostbusters story ends, but that doesn't mean we can't get more stories from familiar characters in that medium. ;)

That is how I hope Ghostbusters continues post GB 2020, time will tell. I am sure there are some teriffic ideas that Ghost Corps has cooked up that Have not occurred to anybody. :) :) :)
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