Ok, sorry I haven't commented again sooner, I have a friend from out of town staying with me so I haven't been on the intarwebs a whole bunch since this nonsense started.
I'd like to bring my side of all this to the table, I thought about making a video response but I'm sure that Bob won't allow it as a response so it's not really worth it. Besides anyone who actually cares about this whole ordeal is already reading this thread so let's just go with what works. This is probably going to be a long post but I'm going to try to cover everything that's been discussed so far.
My interactions with Videobob started a few months back when he posted an interest thread over on the RPF. Just as he's been doing on eBay and in his youtube videos he's been non-stop name-dropping Sean to garner credibility and that bothered me to no end.
Sean has been a friend and mentor since I've been involved with this community. He's basically the guy who taught me everything I know about prop making. I hate to think that my being protective of him is what caused all of this to spiral so out of control but it appears as though that might be the case.
All Sean wants is to be left out of this mess and here I am mentioning him again, so I know that might be slightly counter-productive and for that I apologize. Being the selfless person that he is, Sean did a favor for someone we know who made some bad choices. Those bad choices led to one of these shells ending up in the hands of Thiago Nascimento, who is a known recaster and was ousted from our community long ago. As a funny aside, the shell that was sent to Thiago was of very poor quality, it had massive warping and cracks in the finish. That particular shell was a reject casting and Thiago still paid $700 for it. It is nowhere near the quality of others to come from that mold.
Thiago got himself into some monetary troubles and sold the Shell to Bob. Bob immediately started brainstorming on how to turn a profit so he started gauging interest in the shells on the RPF. Because of the nature of the shell it was deemed recasting (rightly so) and the RPF staff locked his thread and told him that he would not be allowed to sell them.
Bob, being Bob, went ahead and started a SECOND thread within a few hours, again trying to sell these shells. As he blatantly disregarded the rules of the RPF and made it very clear that he had every intention of recasting the shells regardless of what anyone said he was banned.
Bob has been banned from various other prop making websites and is a known scumbag in the Back to the Future world so when he started making his posts on here I sent him the following message.
Vincenzo330 wrote: Hello VideoBob,
I'm writing to let you know that I am aware of what you are trying to do. You are obviously trying to get your post count up so that you can sell the shell that you purchased from Thiago. I'd like to let you know that that is never going to happen. You will not be allowed to sell or post ANYTHING about that shell here.
You are on permanent post approval which means that all of your posts here will have to be approved by a moderator before they will appear. All of the moderators are aware of your motivations. If you attempt to post anything related to the shell that you have you will be banned. If you try to use any of your friends as a proxy to sell it they will also be banned. This is your one and only warning.
If you'd like to know why this is happening, it's because of your etiquette or lack thereof.
You have gone out of your way to drag Sean Bishop's name through the dirt in your RPF threads and eBay auction. Sean is one of the most respected people in this community and I won't have you sully his name by inferred association with you.
We are all aware of your activities in the BTTF community as well and we DO NOT take kindly to recasters here.
As I said, this is your one and only warning. DO NOT make waves or you will be promptly removed.
Was it a bit harsh? Sure. Was I flexing my moderator muscles a bit? Yeah, a bit. But the fact remains that he does not own the rights to that shell and has no right to be making copies. Even having him discuss them would just be a way for him to point people to his eBay auctions and that is what I was trying to prevent. And it's not like the existence of the shells are a big secret, you've all seen pchrisbosh1's build http://www.gbfans.com/community/viewtop ... =2&t=24965
and Ross's "For Sale" Thread is still active on the RPF (though extremely over-priced). I only intended to stop Videobob specifically from becoming a seller here as it would only eventually lead to trouble. Plain and simple, he is not a savory character to deal with.
Now, here's where I probably do look like a hypocrite... I SELL SHELLS. Yes, I do. I sell shells WITH PERMISSION from the original builder who is very much still active here on the forums. He is aware of everything that I do and if the day comes when I no longer have his blessing to offer shells then I will simply stop.
Regardless of what Bob will have you believe, my motivation is not money. I am not the only seller of shells here and as a matter of fact I have been extremely supportive of the 3 or 4 others who do so. Feel free to ask any one of them, I've discussed many aspects of the process with all of them. We have traded tips and tricks back and forth and I talk to a few of them regularly via phone and text outside of the boards. I have something called RESPECT, it's something that Bob greatly lacks.
I have poured my heart and soul into this community and I will continue to do so no matter what. The videobobs of the world will come and go and I'll still be here.
What I find funny is that Bob chose to call me out because of my "$20,000.00" in potential sales. If you watch his video he states very clearly that he has every intention of "selling 100 shells" and at his $500 price tag... well you do the math. His videos are nothing but infomercials to promote his website and peddle his wares. He did the same thing in the Back to the Future world and after he's used up Ghostbusters he'll move on to something else and set up shop.
There is something else I'd like to address which I find hilarious
Thiago and Raine are actually the ones doing all the work, this guy has never gotten his hands dirty in his life. He hires all of the work out on his time machine builds and any other props that he's "working" on.
Here's a little glimpse into the kind of people that you're dealing with...
Do you guys notice anything familiar about the type of mold that they're using? It's almost like we've seen that technique before...http://www.gbfans.com/community/viewtop ... =2&t=24754
Plain and simple, Bob is not a prop-builder, he is a poacher. The youtube videos that he's been posting are full of lies and he's attempting to spin the truth to make himself look like some kind of White Knight. He is self-projecting in the truest sense. In his video he mentioned the "problems that he's run into" in the Back to the Future world, the problem is that he is a thief and recaster, people don't take very kindly to that.
I have no problem posting in full, all of my interactions with Bob or anyone else with regards to this nonsense. I don't need to use half-truths or pull select excerpts from my correspondence, my motivations here are transparent and I pride myself on being someone that you can all count on and trust.
To all of you that have sent me private messages, text messages, facebook messages, called me or emailed me in support, Thank you from the bottom of my heart. It's been really overwhelming and unexpected and I had no idea that this situation had gotten so overblown.
Keep name-dropping and championing your "cause" all you like. You will be your own undoing. I'll just sit back and watch you self-destruct and you're going to be in for a harsh surprise when you realize that no one is going to be there to pick up the pieces. Good luck with your show, given the kind of guy you've exposed yourself to be it's guaranteed to be short lived.