Discuss the Ghostbusters Comic from IDW, as well as the now defunct Ghostbusters: Legion series.
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By mrmichaelt
#473596
The solicit for #15 makes Louis' return sound more intriguing, imo:
Louis Tully was an average accountant until the day that Vinz Clortho—Keymaster of Gozer the Traveler—possessed him in service of the end the world. Now the news says New York is at the center of Sumerian shenanigans again, and Louis should want nothing more than to steer clear... but something is drawing him back. Is it morbid curiosity or something more sinister? “Mass Hysteria,” the 30th Anniversary celebration, continues here!
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By Kingpin
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There's been a lot of talk generated over the quality of Salvador Navarro's artwork in IDW's crossing over of Ghostbusters with The X-Fileshere and on Spook Central's Preview gallery...

At first we thought it was a bit of forgivable tracing and some schoolboy errors with the look of some of the things we know like the back of our hand:
I don't know about you guys, but a lot of the art associated with this issue is rubbing me the wrong way. Between the cover art and the interiors I probably won't be picking this up (which isn't saying much because I'm not really into the story they have set up anyway, ehheh)... It's really clear that the artist was referencing photos of stuff throughout the issue. The way the Lone Gunmen are drawn versus how Janine and the boys are drawn is vastly different. The Long Gunmen have dark shadows on their faces and loads of detail, where the others feel like they're actually in the artist's style and look like comic book characters.

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(Check out Egon standing there holding... nothing...)

and the freakin' name tag on the wrong side makes me cringe. I feel like I'm being nitpicky, but that's some basic "Drawing GB" stuff right there.
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But as Groschopf has pointed out, Navarro has actually been a lot lazier than we initially thought:

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By Fritz
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Kingpin wrote:You guys are going to want to get Tristan's variant cover for Ghostbusters #16:

<Snip awesome cover>
(Insert old injoke about "But I thought Ray was the one driving" here)

Is it going to be a B-cover or a Retailer Incentive? I had to pay like $12 to get the V2#8 RI cover because my main shop didn't order enough to get it. But am I loving the RGB covers lately.
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By Kingpin
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I decided to dig out my trade paperback copy of Ghostbusters: Legion as the establishing shot of the Firehouse looked familiar... and it is, it's traced directly from the second page of the first issue of Legion (I will upload a comparison picture once I have the X-Files crossover).
mrmichaelt wrote:Come to think of it, that pink ghost that was released does look like it could have come from Legion.
It is.

The head of the pink ghost is traced from the blue Subway ghost on page 14 of issue #1, the pink ghost's chest-mouth, and most of it's body are traced from the ghost at Krazy's in issue #2 of Legion.
By Vee
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This is f****g stunning. Just figured out another piece of this plagiarized puzzle. Egon back there is traced for sure, I can't figure out from what, though. His hands are a dead giveaway. He's standing there holding an invisible proton wand (not to mention most of his pack is invisible).
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By TristanJones
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Thanks for the kind words on the cover folks. Remember, it's a subscription cover. All of mine are, so you just have to make sure it's on your standing order and that your shop people know you want it!

Also, I'm a bit dismayed by all this, but here's more fuel for the gunman fire. It jumped out right away, because I love Kurth's ghosts...

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Plus this...

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...is the ghost.

Also, Venkman here is Spengler in that image, Vee...
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By Kingpin
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Good eye, Tristan. As indicated on Spook Central/simply by looking at it, that first panel of Janine is taken from when she's fielding the call from the manager of the Sedgewick, and the shot of the Gunmen entering the Firehouse is from Peck's arrival with the Cop and ConEd guy.

My comic guy says he'll have the issue when I pop by the stall on Saturday, although I'm dreading seeing what else Salvador Navarro has nicked from the 88mph comic.
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By robbritton
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Just read through it becoming more incredulous with every page. If you're going to trace everything perhaps start by having more than one photo of The Wild Gunmen. Laziest comic art I've ever seen, and as a long-term Aliens comics fan, that takes some doing.
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By groschopf
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Essh. I was willing to look the other way originally. I figured, "if the artist is using reference, eh."

Just got the book. So much got copied from Legion. On the upside, at least 88mph isn't around any more to bust this guy's balls.

Just from memory, Venkman holding the phone is the "you spy 'em, we fry 'em" line.
Ray with his PKE meter saying "nothing here" is Ray holding his cellphone whilst learning that Mike had escaped.
Ray and Winston in the "electro-kinetic discharge!" panel aiming their wands is a from the cover of the second issue.
The gang in the vehicle bay with Ecto taking off their packs is from the first issue. And on and on....

I think we've learned what the conspiracy was about.

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By mrmichaelt
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I liked the subscription cover Dan Schoening and Luis Delgado did. Too bad the Elvis one was nixed but this one that came out was a nice homage to X-Files in general. Yeah, crossovers... next week is Issue #12! It's what I've been waiting for this month.

But now that I have time to look back at the Issue #15 cover...
Hoot wrote:LMAO A Mackenzie brothers reference! (White out bottle)
There's a lot of neat SCTV nods in addition to the GB, GB2 and TVG references.
On the planner (which appears to be April 28, 1992)
*The 12:00 notes "G.Todd" - a nod to Moranis' character from The Gerry Todd Show SCTV sketch
*1:00 toaster stock - likely nod to the animated toaster in Ghostbusters II
*Chamomille tea is Janine's favorite - she originally admitted this in the cutscene before Central Park Cemetery in Ghostbusters: The Video Game
*3:00 - Crazy Hy's RE:TV Order - a nod to Moranis' spoof commercial on SCTV
*Smoked salmon, full price - a nod to a line from Louis' party in Ghostbusters
*Milk-Bones - reference to what Louis wanted to give to Vinz Clortho as he was trapped outside Tavern on the Green
*Generic aspirin - another reference to a line during Louis' party in Ghostbusters
*Stay Fit, Keep Sharp, Make Good Decisions - a mantra Louis repeated to himself after he left the Firehouse suited up in Ghostbusters II
*The Post-It Note has a 15 easter egg and note to call his mom. Southfork may be reinforcing Louis' line in Ghostbusters II revealing his mom was in Florida. Southfork, by a Google search, has a retirement community in Florida.
*His letterhead reminds us he's also a lawyer, heh.
*Couldn't find the place on the receipt but a Pirozhki is a Russian stuffed bun
*Above the receipt is a slip of paper with the Delago's Gym symbol on it - it's the gym named after colorist Luis Delgado seen off and on in Volume 1 of the ongoing
*On the gym paper is a mention of 20 minute workout VHS - referring to Louis' workout regime he revealed at the start of Ghostbusters, to Dana
*And as Hoot mentioned, the Great North Whiteout is a nod to the Great White North sketch from SCTV.
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By caleconners83
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man, this is bad. groschopf, you hit the nail on the head. The artist HAD to have figured that so blatantly ripping off so many pics would be caught. It's staggering how many pics he downright traced. Good eye to all of you that found the pics.
By zeta otaku
#474665
Just got done reading the newest issue, and while I'll leave the full review to those who are far better at it than I would be, another great issue, both the main story and the back-up (loving Ron's new toy... might have to integrate that into my new build! :D ) I will say this though... I definitely see this "solution" biting them in the ass again down the road.
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By mrmichaelt
#474674
Ah, I loved #12 so much. Fantastic close to the arc.

Happy Horror Days! Part 4
For a 20 page finale, I was kind of worried the battle with the Bogeyman, Rodefhiri (real or made up name?), would be too short and anti-climactic. But with what pages they had to work with, Dan Schoening and Luis Delgado made it a scary and epic one to read through. Dan's take on the Boogieman from RGB was so awesome. But it was so great Winston had that moment of overcoming his fear and blasting Rodefhiri's head off. It was intriguing reading Egon's explanation for the Bogeyman and those that followed, interesting bit of mythology and world building there. But "Alternate Storage Method"? Hilarious, but so leaving the door open for an escape and rematch. As I read, I was wondering they were going to use the Sunoco gas station facility to store him.

Kudos to Mr. Burnham for trying something different and using the past and present mode of storytelling method. Sure it cheats a little out of the main story but we all know the Ghostbusters win no matter what so no big deal. It was a nice way of bringing back Agent Norris from #10. "Now is the time to liaise" cracked me up.

So stoked to see the Tripods used. Bummer Kylie got just a cameo. Seems like Ortiz stole the spotlight in this arc. But the banter between the two is always welcome. Egon's "I'll have to write a paper..." was another favorite line. The callback to World of the Psychic was cool and unexpected, maybe too easy of a shortcut to identify the threat but eh.
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Mass Hysteria Prelude #2
Ha! Another World of Gozer exhibit. A pleasant surprise they used the infamous Man-Eaters of Tsavo as the secondary threat. And finally, I was so glad to see Dr. Selwyn in the comic. Ron's new toy was pretty rad. Boson Caster be a fitting name? But oh, Tiamat is already on Earth. I wonder when these 2 preludes are taking place - between Issue #12's main story and 13? Thank you, Mr. Burnham for another Rookie and Ron story.
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Easter Eggs
Cover A
*Among the litter are
**A Pequods coffee cup
**New Years hats from Ghostbusters II
**A bottle of Yuppie Water from The Real Ghostbusters episode "Short Stuff"
**A bottle of Les Oiseaux Fine Wines from Ghostbusters: The Video Game, Realistic Versions "Welcome to the Hotel Sedgewick" level
**A Hasty Pastry Bakery box from The Real Ghostbusters episode "The Joke's on Ray"
**A Ghost in a Can
**A can of Blody from a Times Square ad in The Real Ghostbusters episode "The Halloween Door"
*Ray once again is wearing clothes his animated counterpart wore in The Real Ghostbusters episode "X-Mas Marks the Spot"

Page 1
*In the second panel, above Norris, on the board is a poster for Poso from The Real Ghostbusters episode "Partners in Slime"
*In the third panel, to the left of Ortiz is
**The article about the Crimebusters from The Real Ghostbusters episode "Ghost Busted"
**A wanted poster for Al Capone from The Real Ghostbusters episode "The Ghostbusters Live! from Al Capone's Tomb!"
*One of the wanted posters features the talisman thieves from the Extreme Ghostbusters episode "The Crawler"
*The other wanted poster features the Crimelord from The Real Ghostbusters episode "Ghost Busted"

Page 2
*The Polarity Rectification Tripods debut on the ongoing series.
*On the electric panel is Killerwatt from The Real Ghostbusters episode "Killerwatt"

Page 3
*Egon mentions Rhinebeck, visited previously in Issue #12
*To the left of Kylie on the mini drawer case is the Ghost Tether from The Real Ghostbusters episode "Partners in Slime"

Page 4
*In the first panel, in the center top on the machine, is the Handbook for the Recently Deceased from the movie "Beetlejuice"

Page 5
*On the file cabinet are some of the Ghostbusters II trading cards

Page 6
*Egon appears to bring up the belief made manifest theory, used on The Real Ghostbusters such as in "Elementary My Dear Winston"
*On Egon's board are
**A photograph of Central Park marked "Oct. 30", referring to the finale of Issue #9
**A photograph of Nevermore Elementary School marked "Chicago", referring to the "Visitation" back ups in Issues #7 and 8
**A Devil's Night newspaper article about events in Issue #9 with the wall of fire
**The newspaper article is by Cynthia Crawford, a character from The Real Ghostbusters
**A photo of the slimed house in Rhinebeck and article about missing children in Rhinebeck from Issue #11
*In the bed is Megan Carter from The Real Ghostbusters episode "The Bogeyman Cometh"
*Krampus has Ralphie Parker from the movie "A Christmas Story"
*On the refrigerator are two bottles of Singing Slime from Ghostbusters: The Video Game, Realistic Versions
*By the sink, is the soap bottle referencing Double Bubble from The Real Ghostbusters episode "Big Trouble With Little Slimer", last seen in Issue #6.

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*On the upper left corner of Egon's board is a Slimer "Warning Slime Zone" item
*Peter references 55 Central Park West in jest
*On the table are the Ghostbusters Cereal and Slimer Toothpaste items
*On the bottom right of Egon's board, some writing suggest Louis Tully is living in Florida

Page 8
*The Hastry Pastry Bakery sign and mascot from The Real Ghostbusters episode "The Joke's on Ray" appears in the first panel
*Previously in Issue #11, there was a business card in Ray's Occult for a Gypsy Witch. This character is the psychic Peter and Melanie visit.
*Peter refers to his show The World of the Psychic from Ghostbusters II

Page 9
*Amid the Times Square ads and displays are
**Left side
***Bruno's Pawn Shop from Extreme Ghostbusters "Casting the Runes"
***The Molta ad is from the Extreme Ghostbusters episode "Darkness at Noon, Part 1"
***Stay Puft and Friends, Saturdays at 8 am, is a nod to the show mentioned and a billboard from Ghostbusters: The Video Game, Realistic Versions Panic in Times Square level
***Granny Candy is from The Real Ghostbusters episode "Egon's Ghost"
***Hindenburg is the trouble-ridden opera from Ghostbusters: The Video Game, Realistic Versions Panic in Times Square level
***The store sign for Magic Supply Shop from The Real Ghostbusters "The Joke's on Ray"
***An ad for Les Oiseaux Fine Wines from Ghostbusters: The Video Game, Realistic Versions
***Otto's Bar from Ghostbusters: The Video Game, Realistic Versions Panic in Times Square level
***Gregor's rival from The Real Ghostbusters episode "No One Comes to Lupusville"
**Center (Times Tower)
***Makeoveris Lotsabucks from The Real Ghostbusters episode "Janine, You've Changed"
***Caste ad from The Real Ghostbusters episode "The Halloween Door"
***The Generous Motors emblem from The Real Ghostbusters episode "Don't Forget the Motor City"
***Pequods coffee chain first seen in Volume 1 Issue #12
***Blody from a Times Square ad in The Real Ghostbusters episode "The Halloween Door"
***Manhattan City Bank from Ghostbusters
**Right side
***Happy Turkey stuffing ad from "Guess What's Coming to Dinner" in Haunted Holidays trade paperback
***Builtmore Hotel, nod to Biltmore Hotel where Sedgewick Hotel scenes were filmed
***Armands from Ghostbusters II
***Wyatt Earp from The Real Ghostbusters episode "Ghost Fight at the O.K. Corral"
***The Atlantic from Ghostbusters

Page 10
*Luis Delgado's 15 easter egg is on the stairwell sign

Page 11
*Egon's fear is of the Boogieman from The Real Ghostbusters
*Ray's fear is of the Vigo possession from Ghostbusters II
*Peter's fear is of cockroaches, a likely nod to a fear shared by his animated counterpart in "Drool, the Dog-Face Goblin"

Page 12
*Winston's fear is of not being able to save Tiyah Clarke from dying

Page 14
*Ortiz refers to the Five Boroughs or Manhattan, The Bronx, Brooklyn, Queens and Staten Island

Page 15
*Peter suggest Auld Lang Syne, a classic folk song sang at the start of the New Year

Page 16
*In the Warehouse are the Delorean from "Back to the Future Part III" and A Lao Che Air Freight plane from "Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom" is present last seen in Issue #7
*The method of sealing a Trap in cement in a crate resembles a strategy used in vain by the Real Ghostbusters in "The Cabinet of Calamari" against Harry Houdini.

Page 18
*The World of Gozer exhibit is back and the events of Ghostbusters: The Video Game are noted
*The noted museum is the Field Museum of Natural History
*The Man-Eaters of Tsavo are a pair of male lions who murdered construction workers on the Kenya-Uganda Railway from March through December 1898. Their skins were sold to the Field Museum in 1924 for $5000.
*On the panels for the Man-Eaters are lyrics to the theme song of "Fresh Prince of Bel-Air"

Page 19
*Dr. Selwyn from Ghostbusters: The Video Game makes her debut in the comic
*Ron refers to Gozer and the events of Ghostbusters: The Video Game
*Behind Ron is a seal of the Cult of Gozer
*Selwyn mentions Ivo Shandor

Page 21
*Ron refers to one of the lions as Simba, the star of the Disney film The Lion King (1994)
*Ron's Boson Dart attachment appears to loosely resemble the Predator's Plasma Caster from the Predator movie franchise

Page 22
*Gozerian letters first appeared in Ghostbusters: The Video Game
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By groschopf
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mrmichaelt wrote:
But "Alternate Storage Method"? Hilarious, but so leaving the door open for an escape and rematch. As I read, I was wondering they were going to use the Sunoco gas station facility to store him.
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Holy crap! I was thinking the same thing!
It'd be kind of cool to see an abandoned Sunoco used as a super max containment unit -- something that isn't as obvious as their headquarters. Be kind of cool to see them use a converted garbage truck to transport the big nasties there too.
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By mrmichaelt
#474686
groschopf wrote:
It'd be kind of cool to see an abandoned Sunoco used as a super max containment unit -- something that isn't as obvious as their headquarters. Be kind of cool to see them use a converted garbage truck to transport the big nasties there too.
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Indeed it would! Time will tell. Erik seems to be implying this Bogeyman will return.
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By groschopf
#474710
Yup. Best one, in my opinion. So much gravitas.

And...
The TARDIS can be seen off to the left side of the crowd.
And Harry and Lloyd from Dumb and Dumber appear to be on the next page.
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By Halloween Undead
#474764
This series must be selling well. Whenever I go to my local comic shop to pick up the latest issue the day it is released, I usually have about 5-6 copies to choose from, as far as finding one in good condition. Today, was the second time I've been to the store a day after a new issue's release and there was only one remaining copy left, which often has some visible defect on it. Luckily, there was a cover B in better condition and the artwork is quite nice.
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