Discuss the Ghostbusters movie that was released in 2016.
#4810038
GB update Dan Aykroyd wants Jason Statham for 3rd film which is in my honest opinion a very big move
because lots of people love this guy his action transporter crank movies are hot i could soo picture statham
with proton pack doing some crazy shit that will in the end be funny as in both crank movies

the one problem people have with Jason Statham is that he doesn't speak very much or whispers in his movies which make him perfect for a godfather mob movie but as a ghostbuster could be very frightening but maybe thats what this generation needs
is a action star to give a furious kick to a classic franchise

i dont think any fan will pass up on a treat like Jason Statham as next ghostbuster
the originals were in their 40's for GB1 why not Statham

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/09 ... ertainment
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#4810097
So the latest quote from Dan Akyroyd that's gonna get repeated again and again is that he wants Ghostbusters to be the new "Marvel Cinematic Universe," complete with spin-offs and stories for different ages.

Two reactions:
1. Making "Ghostbusters" into a global franchise with many different branches in different cities, populated by different characters all with their own distinct (but inter-connected) storylines taking place in the same universe? I can't believe nobody's thought of that. Oh wait...I think they did. The fans liked the idea so much they decided to make it happen for themselves. Sure, they don't have hundreds of millions of dollars to spend on props, sets, and special effects... but they've got editing software, cameras, costumes, After Effects, and passion, which is sometimes all you really need.

2. Add Dan Akyroyd to the list of people who'd like to emulate the success of Marvel's MCU, without really understanding why it works. His intentions, I believe, are the best in the world, but Marvel keeps the train on the tracks by basically letting one guy, Kevin Faige, run the MCU with very little interference from upper management. He picks the directors and writers, his is the final green light, and he oversees the production. Nobody goes over his head to give Joss Whedon plot notes about what has to be in the next Avengers film, nobody really objected when he hired James Gunn because of his youtube series, "PG Porn", or the Russo Brothers because of the "Community" paintball episodes. This is why they can do what they've done. They've made billions of dollars AND several excellent movies because they've taken this HUGE thing and kept it small and manageable, basically centered in one guy.

If they want a Ghostbusters cinematic universe, they'll need their Kevin Faige. Someone who cares deeply about the project, and who can work closely with the directors and writers, while keeping the studio heads from killing everything with notes. DC and Sony still haven't figured that out...

Right now everybody wants to be Marvel. I remember in the early 90s when everybody wanted to be Disney. Basically this is a golden age, and golden ages always last forever, right? I don't know what will end this particular renaissance, but it will end, and when it does everybody will go looking for whatever the next big thing is going to be...
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#4810100
For heaven's sake, what will it take to stop Dan talking before thinking? Just forever clouding the issue with half thoughts. The Paul Fieg idea is a really good, really fresh one. Stop confusing things, man!
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#4811924
At this point, rather than a Ghostbusters sequel or reboot, I would rather see a parody/tribute called Ghostsmashers (which I believe was Dan Aykroyd's original name) along with the original concept of space travel and whatnot. In addition, every living actor who has been associated with the rumored Ghostbusters 3 over the past couple of decades, including the original cast of GB, would make a cameo appearance in the film as a Ghostsmasher or some other character. I think this is a concept that ghostheads could appreciate without feeling like it's ruining the franchise we love.
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#4813510
Ok guys, think it is ready for a letter writing campaign to get this reboot turned back into a sequel. Rebooting with out Stanz or Venkman at least handing over the reigns is inexcusable. I mean are we really going to sit by quietly and let them try to spoon feed us slop when we are so close to the movie we have waited decades for. Come on guys don't let it turn out like Phantom Menace, TMNT (f*** you Michael Bay you alien obsessed bastard), and Crystal Skull?
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#4813519
Well, a good portion of the fans here weren't waiting for a sequel to begin with... we were fairly happy with the first two...
#4813521
Ok. So I have done my fair share of bitching about this information via here and social media. But I have sat back and realized that's its out of our hands. I know like me we all want ghostbusters to be what we grew up with. Most of us want to see the original characters back but in reality it isn't ever gonna happen. No I don't like the new idea but what ever is gonna become of ghostbusters will always be left up to us fans. New movies may come and go but the real spirit of ghostbusters will always live on in us true fans.
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#4813525
lamia wrote:Ok guys, think it is ready for a letter writing campaign to get this reboot turned back into a sequel. Rebooting with out Stanz or Venkman at least handing over the reigns is inexcusable. I mean are we really going to sit by quietly and let them try to spoon feed us slop when we are so close to the movie we have waited decades for. Come on guys don't let it turn out like Phantom Menace, TMNT (f*** you Michael Bay you alien obsessed bastard), and Crystal Skull?
Yes. This re-boot is destined for failure. I for one wanted a sequel to continue the story of the original GBs, Dana, Oscar, etc.
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#4813701
At this point I'm just going to get on board with an all-female reboot. What's the worst that could happen? It could suck? If it does, I'll forget about it and pretend it doesn't exist and watch my GB blu-ray some more. And to a lesser extent GB2, which kind of sucked too, at least in comparison with the original.
#4814623
new ghostbuster update!

i cant believe im gonna give an update on this newly female reboot
but something good happened

a older respected sci fi female wants in
soo called begs for role

Gillian Anderson from mega show X Files wants in

my comment is if shes talking about cognizant of an alternate universe
from one of the reports of her that normal woman dont talk about

shit could we be looking at the next egon the smart one

they be stupid not to grab someone from X Files

http://www.usmagazine.com/entertainment ... 3-20141410

http://www.theguardian.com/film/2014/oc ... tbusters-3
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#4814827
sirmichaelvalentine wrote:new ghostbuster update!

i cant believe im gonna give an update on this newly female reboot
but something good happened

a older respected sci fi female wants in
soo called begs for role

Gillian Anderson from mega show X Files wants in

my comment is if shes talking about cognizant of an alternate universe
from one of the reports of her that normal woman dont talk about

shit could we be looking at the next egon the smart one

they be stupid not to grab someone from X Files

http://www.usmagazine.com/entertainment ... 3-20141410

http://www.theguardian.com/film/2014/oc ... tbusters-3
I'm not as big a Gillian Anderson fan as some are...I'm sort of neutral on her...but she does sound like an intriguing choice as one of the new female GBs.
#4816426
I for one will wait and see. How many times has this thing been looking good for a 3rd attempt to get off the ground and then.....
In like a lion and out like a lamb. WA WA WA!

Heck, just bring back The Real Ghostbusters and I would be happy as all heck. Dan and Ernie does voice work now he could even cameo the pilot, doubt they could afford him for more than that. Better still have both of them film an introduction to it, kinda a love letter for the fans sorta thing.

Just an idea.
#4821638
The Daily Beast at some information in regards to the Sony Leak including an E-Mail sent from Amy Pascal (Head of Sony Pictures) to Ivan Reitman about the new GB movie. Looks like Summer 2016 with some big names. Pretty interesting as she mentions coming up with a clever way to connect the new film to the previous ones.

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#4821655
There are actually two large texts about GB in that article. Here's both of them:
Bill Murray Legal Drama Over the Ghostbusters Film?

An email dated October 31, 2013, from David Steinberg, head of Sony Pictures Entertainment’s legal department, to Leah Weil, SPE’s general counsel, touches on Bill Murray’s alleged reluctance to star in Paul Feig’s planned all-women Ghostbusters adaptation. If the email exchange is to be believed, Sony was planning “‘aggressive’ litigation counsel” to evaluate the situation, but wanted to keep it quiet so as not to harm the studio’s reputation by publicly going after a celebrated actor like Murray.

“In order to more fully evaluate our position if Bill Murray again declines to engage on ‘Ghostbusters’, AG requested that we identify ‘aggressive’ litigation counsel with whom we can consult to evaluate our alternatives and strategize,” the email read. “[Harkening back to his prior employer, of course, raised the name of David Boies.] Personally, while I’m fine with aggressive, I think we are in much worse shape if this goes public so seems to me we should look for someone who isn’t seeking the spotlight.”

The Ghostbusters Film May Star Jennifer Lawrence, Emma Stone, and Melissa McCarthy

An email dated October 8, 2014, from Pascal to Ivan Reitman, director/producer of the original Ghostbusters film, revealed some key details about the planned reboot, scheduled for release ideally sometime in summer 2016:

“Agree that everyone is way too nervous about how this issue and how we. present it but it's isn't a sequel to the 80s movies and it is gonna be totally original with completely different characters and our job is to find a clever way to connect the movie to the original franchise so that we can use all the assets and everything that is great about the original franchise,” the email read. “Paul's movie is gonna be the first one and from what I'm hearing jennifer lawrence and Emma stone and Melissa McCarthy and Amy schumer and liszzy [Lizzy] Kaplan just to name a few have already said thy wanted to be in....”
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My reaction:
So they say it's going to be an original story with original characters, but they STILL want Bill Murray to be in it, and are looking into legal ways they can force him to agree? Knowing full well the PR fiasco that would result if they were caught doing so? I can't see that going well...

Every actress in Hollywood already wants to be in Fiegbusters. We already knew this. :whatever:
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#4822463
Emails from SPE02 leak .ost files.


email dated aug 22 2014 (sigh):



Yes could be a win win if pitched to Paul the right way, and Ivan

Reid is ******* smart, saw inclusion of real movie stars as a way to get around iconic bill Murray, wants tone of guardians of galaxy, said he's been sitting on lot trying to think of a way to get chan in a tent pole for us

I said I wished all our producers were thinking that way!

Sent from my iPad

> On Aug 21, 2014, at 2:13 PM, "Pascal, Amy" <***********> wrote:
>
> Lets do it all
> This is our marvel
> Ghosts!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Sent from my Sony Xperia Z2
>
>> On Aug 22, 2014, at 7:19 AM, "DeLuca, Michael" <*************> wrote:
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>> Reid called me man he is fired up!
>>
>> Sent from my iPad








On Aug 21, 2014, at 6:08 PM, "Pascal, Amy" <***********> wrote:
I couldn't be more thrilled
We can make this all work

Sent from my Sony Xperia Z2

On Aug 22, 2014, at 8:55 AM, "REID CAROLIN" <**********> wrote:
vice versa! ok lets talk it out and see how to do that. the idea I'm cooking up is a huuuugggge universe. we start with the mythology, develop a think tank for it. come up with the entire universe first, then start into the script(s). not just a comedy at all so I'd want to make sure it isn't tonally burdened by an offshoot movie that's a pure comedy. We see it as a movie that scares the shit out of you like great horror can, makes you laugh your ass off, has real action, real romance. real movie stars. Everything that you want in a blockbuster. Oceans 11 in the paranormal universe. i think this is the biggest franchise in hollywood just waiting to be tapped. and we make it smart and relevant-- dealing with the paranormal forces that we are all tuning out, the battle between dark & light going on all around us, and the crazy few people that come together to fight the good fight. I could go on but I'll stop. started mapping out some ideas already.

rc



On Aug 21, 2014, at 5:37 PM, Pascal, Amy <********> wrote:


Told Russos and telling you .... This is fabulous
Can't wait to hear the whole thing
All my favorite people in one universe including
Chris and Channing

Let's figure out how to make thos dovetail with what paul is doing
And Ivan Reitman
Who just walked into a goldmine
(Again)
Love you a lot
Amy

Sent from my Sony Xperia Z2


sept 7th: Paul Feig to Amy.... (GBFans op note: I cannot believe the extent to which Paul Feig is oblivious to what made GB an all time iconic movie. Your mouth just falls further and further open in disgust as you realize this man's total incompetence of steering any franchise, let alone a goldmine).


Amy,
Here’s my take on it: It’s a reboot of the franchise in a world (our world) that has never actually had any legitimate contact with the ghost world. Our villain ghost is an executed murderer, a Ted Kazinski type (think Peter Dinklage) who has left behind a manifesto of how he wants to change and destroy the world. When his execution is hit by a supercharged electrical storm, he is turned into a powerful ghost able to rouse other villainous spirits from the ghost world to carry out the ever-expanding plans of his manifesto. Our four new female Ghostbusters come together in an origin story that sees them forming a team based on their diverse skills and plays with the invention and trial-and-error of their various Ghostbusting technology and techniques as they try to stop the villain and his ever growing force of evil ghosts, which is a boring way of saying that we’ll see four very different women come together and figure out in funny, scary and action-packed ways how to save New York City and the world.

This first film will deal with this one mission and the formation of our team and the evolution of their hardware and by the end result in them forming their actual Ghostbusters business, versus starting a business mid-film like the original movie. However, I would like to keep their business as a secret government agency in a world where the government has worked hard to cover up the events of this first reboot in order to keep the public from knowing that there is now a possible reoccurring ghost threat over our country. (I’m playing with the idea that, a la Close Encounters, the government stages an evacuation of mid-town Manhattan to keep the public from knowing about the ghost threat, so that even though most of mid-town Manhattan is a mess after the final battle, they are able to explain it away as a gas explosion or something to that effect. This will keep the franchise from having to denounce the Ghostbusters in a sequel or drop them back into a world in which the public is now fully aware of ghosts. This will give the franchise much more longevity. There’s a funny dynamic we want to play with where the government eventually starts working with the Ghostbusters but has to keep denouncing them publicly, having a Cecily Strong type character always saying terrible things about them in press conferences and then apologizing to them behind the scenes, even though her public attacks on them get more and more personal. “I’m sorry, I just have to make it sound convincing.”)

Tonally, the movie will be a bit scarier and more hi-tech than the original and the set pieces will be bigger, while still being very funny. For example, I want in the third act to have the entire police force and army accompany the Ghostbusters to the final battle but since our villain only wants to deal with the Ghostbusters and wants to make the government look ridiculous, he possesses the entire police and army forces and makes them do a big ridiculous dance number in the middle of Fifth Avenue, thus neutralizing them (and delighting himself). I think that having our main villain be both evil and funny in the ways screws with our world as he’s trying to carry out the points of his manifesto (get revenge on everyone who slighted him, humiliate and take down Wall Street, make the United States look ridiculous to the rest of the world and eventually destroy NYC, which to him is the brain of the US), as well as have fun with the ghosts he picks to carry out various tasks (could be all dead villains and famous criminals he recruits from the ghost world and - in what I think could be a billion dollar idea - recruits the ghosts of evil beings from other parts of the universe - yes, ghost aliens! “Our world isn’t the only place in the universe with bad and dangerous beings that have died, you know. There’s a lot of bored dead monsters out there who are just looking for something to do.”)

Anyway, these are all things we’re experimenting with and are looking forward to exploring as we write the first draft. I hope this helps in your lunch.

Break a leg! :0)
Paul





sept 9th 2014: (GBFans op note: Nothing to do with above email)


On Sep 9, 2014, at 8:46 PM, "Pascal, Amy" <***********> wrote:
>>>
>>> I don't trust anyone anymore and do t think you should lay this all
>>> put in an email But yes to the meeting Your the boss You don't have
>>> to explain why It's a ghostbusters brain store info meeting
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my Sony Xperia Z2
>>>
>>>> On Sep 9, 2014, at 8:44 PM, "Belgrad, Doug" <***********> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Are you ok with following to set up mtg? Invites to michael, Dwight, George L, DeLuca, Gump and Lauren G. Ok?
>>>>
>>>> As we continue to consider the value of IP, Amy, Mike and I have been thinking about and discussing how to maximize the value of Ghostbusters.
>>>> We were galvanized by a creative conversation with Channing, Reid and Joe Russo about how to take this franchise outside of NYC, modernize it and make it feel more like a comic book property.
>>>> Amy and I then had a pretty interesting and exciting meeting with Ivan Reitman. We talked about taking a more expansive view of the brand and trying to find ways to breathe new life into it all aspects, including merchandising, consumer products, tv, animation etc.
>>>> I'm going to set up a meeting this week to discuss how best to capitalize on this Property.
>>>> Amy and I are meant to meet with Ivan and Dan Aykroyd this Saturday to discuss.
>>>> Doug








Deluca , Michael to Pascal Amy Sept 9th:

To be honest, if we are going to go for a unified mythology like marvel or Star Wars, the new films probably should acknowledge the old ghostbusters somehow

It can be light, but that is part of the fun of seeing things link up

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 14, 2014, at 11:26 AM, "Pascal, Amy" <*******************> wrote:
>
> Yes let's beat this down again
>
> Sent from my Sony Xperia Z2
>
>> On Sep 14, 2014, at 11:23 AM, "Belgrad, Doug" <***********> wrote:
>>
>> Got a mildly annoying call from Ivan this morning. He has been thinking since our conversation yesterday and says that he's realizing how important the mythology is to our property. Therefore, he thinks Paul's story should exist in a world where Ghostbuster events of the 80's are known. We talked about it for a while, but it just made me worry that now he and Danny think they have more creative control as protectors of the franchise than they even had before.
>> Anyway, I told him we really need to do a brand study to learn what people expect or care about from a movie and what they don't.
>> But there you go...
>>
>>










October 21st:

Amy to Paul Feig:



SOUNDS PERFECT
On Oct 21, 2014, at 5:27 AM, Paul Feig <************> wrote:

> Yeah, we had a nice meeting with Ivan. I’m open to everything and heard all his ideas. I didn’t commit to any but took away his headlines, some of which I agree with and others that I don’t. But he gets the reboot and that this movie will take place in a different world from the original. He just is looking for nods to the old movie, which Katie has been wanting to do anyway. Will there be as many nods as Ivan would like? Probably not. But at this point, I just want to see how our first draft shakes out and what it can hold and what it can’t and then we’ll take it from there. But the bottom line is that we heard Ivan and he made it clear that he wouldn’t get in our way, that he would definitely weigh in on things but that in the end, the decisions were ours to make. We’ll see if he sticks to that but for now he feels heard and respected and it was good to get inside his head. I genuinely like him and he remains one of my comedy directing heroes. So, all good at the moment. But we will make this movie our own. It will be a full reboot.
>
> As for Katie and I, we’re already in the next move. She is working away on the big story and I’ve been sending her more ideas and she will be sending me some materials very soon, maybe even today. We’ll probably do some sort of loose outline but are basically diving right into the script. The plan is to have a rough first draft by end of December but I won’t turn anything in until I think it’s good. But as of now, the plan is to get something together quickly. I’ll give you updates as we go.
>
> I’m in NYC and had a meeting with Leslie Jones last night, who just got made a regular on SNL yesterday. She’s fabulous and could be an awesome Ghostbuster. I really think she’s going to break pretty big from SNL, so it’s nice to be in on the ground floor with her. I was supposed to sit down with Emma Stone too but she’s in rehearsals for Cabaret and is apparently having some voice issues and so isn’t allowed to talk outside of rehearsals. But I’ll sit with her again soon. I already have a nice relationship with her.
>
> That’s what’s up, my friend. Talk soon.
> Paul
>
> On Oct 21, 2014, at 1:19 AM, Pascal, Amy <***********> wrote:
>
>> ivan was so happy it made me nervous
>> whats the next move
>> not to rush you but is katie gonna start writing do you guys do
>> outlines how does it work?
>> can we really have a script by december?
>>
>


GBFans Op note:

It looks like Ivan was trying to salvage atleast a shred of dignity for the original movies by atleast getting them acknowledged. As we can see he ultimately failed.

As of late October that's the latest name Paul Feig has decided would be a great GB, Leslie Jones

https://www.google.com/search?q=Leslie+ ... 20&bih=989.


Words simply fail. Can any director be more demonstrably unqualified to lead and reboot a goldmine of a franchise than Paul Feig?
#4822479
I just love the comment about being worried that Ivan and Dan think they have more creative control and protectors of the property than even before..... Uh hello Sony, it IS Dan's property. And to a lesser extent, Ivan, Bill, and Harold's estate. At least they want to do a brand study supposedly. Maybe Dan n Ivan can win out in the end and at least save the film a lil bit. But I doubt it as it seems that they want to do what they want, and to heck with anyone else and what they think..... Seems to me they need to hire a director is more willing to play well with others and get the best out of the franchise. Paul has illustrated to me, IMO, that he is not capable of either, from those emails.
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#4822483
Wow. Their ideas sound terrible.

AWFUL.

Forget everything I've been saying for the past few months. DO NOT MAKE THIS MOVIE.

I can't beleive they are heading this way, into a complete TRAIN WRECK.

Good God, how did these incompetents get control of our Ghostbusters?!

HOLY SHIT THIS IS GOING TO BE HORRIBLE.

What in the world are these people smoking?????? Are they serious?????

YOU DUMMIES. YOU ABSOLUTE FREAKING CLUELESS DUNDERHEADS.

There are no words...
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#4822484
When I read it was going to have the tone of Guardians of the Galaxy I quit reading.
GotG is great but it had the tone of Ghostbusters.
Email should read "with the tone of the original film."
From what Ive been hearing about this, it feels like there's very little consideration being given to the franchise roots, which is upsetting as a fan.
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#4822486
Sounds like they're on the "me too!" bandwagon of making a tentpole comic book movie with flavor of the month actors where half the city is destroyed in an idiotic cgi demo-reel while setting up for umpteen sequels.

Don't get me wrong, I love that style of movie. But Ghostbusters is not that type of flick and making desperate attempts to morph it into a cash cow comic book property will come off as exactly that on screen....desperate.

If thats the movie they make......

Pass.
#4822488
Guys, this is how the sausage gets made. It's never pretty but I have a hard time imagining any sort of major motion picture's conception going any differently. They are talking about work, not waxing poetic about how much they love Ghostbusters and how much it means to them. None of this proves they DON'T love Ghostbusters, since one way or another, you've got to discuss this stuff if you are going to get a major motion picture off the ground. I don't know why you'd expect anything different. It's their JOBS to talk like this.

But we can consider it confirmed that this movie's definitely being fast-tracked if they want a rough script done by end of December. Ivan is (depending on who you ask) either annoyed or excited, no word on what Danny thinks, Paul Fieg is still fighting to make his film a total reboot without the events of the 80s films having happened but with references to the first film. Wants it to be scarier then the first. Serial killers and ghost aliens and dancing possessed cops. Well... :sigh: "ALRIGHT PAUL IF YOU ARE REALLY SURE!"

Here's the thing about the first movie. With the exception of the ghost blow job (which was turned into a dream sequence,) the actual plot of the film is not funny. The ghosts are not funny. Being possessed is not funny. Heck, even Stay Puft, silly as he is in concept, is a legitimate threat to our heroes and the city they live in. The humor doesn't come from the villains. The humor comes from how these SNL/ Second City improv comedian characters handle these very dire situations. Their humor and humanity vs. the bleak evil occult. I worry that Paul Fieg can't resist making his villain funny, and I don't think that's a wise place to take it.

The one thing that weirds me out is that though is he wants the separate Ghostbusters to unite and form their company at the END of the movie, rather then the beginning, which implies they take down some sort of big bust together. BUT they also have the complete cooperation of the government organizing big evacuations and they are also become secret agents keeping the existence of ghosts hidden from the public, a la Men in Black. I just don't see how those two ideas work together. How do they get government cooperation before their business even exists? How does the government even know why they are? Patriot Act? I'm kind of getting sick of movies portraying "The Government" as an all-knowing Big Brother security state, and that being a GOOD thing.

If you were expecting loud poetic declarations of how much they love the franchise, you are looking in the wrong place. These people have a lot of work to do. But let me put it this way: if you need a "Brand study" to tell you what is appealing about Ghostbusters, then you just don't get it. The things they say about the franchise: ("make it feel like a comic book property!" "This is our marvel!" "Real movie stars!" "Oceans 11 in a paranormal universe!" "Everything you want in a blockbuster!" "All my favorite people in one universe!" "Just walked into a goldmine!" "merchandising, consumer products, TV, animation!").... All that makes me feel more like they are gushing about what Ghostbusters COULD be for them, rather then what it actually already is.

They talk about a massive multi-film universe...without examining how Marvel made that work. It takes more then just SAYING "These things happen in the same universe," they need to actually develop a story and have an end goal in mind... see "The Amazing Spider Man 2" for what happens when you introduce a ton of new characters without really having anything for them to do besides tease their own spin off movies that you have no reason to care about.

"we start with the mythology, develop a think tank for it. come up with the entire universe first, then start into the script(s)" is in fact the right order to do things in, but Marvel's "think tank" is one guy, Kevin Feig, and he's basically allowed to do what he wants without interference from upper management. To contrast, this IS Sony's upper management, and rest assured whoever's in that "think tank" developing the "mythology" is going to have to constantly be dealing with every single producer named in these emails, who will constantly be looking for things to market. It can be hard to construct a coherent mythology in such circumstances...

Expect the worst, hope for the best. Bracing myself. We'll just have to wait see what happens next.
#4822496
M.Thunder wrote: If you were expecting loud poetic declarations of how much they love the franchise, you are looking in the wrong place.
I wasn't expecting any "loud poetic declarations of how much they love the franchise". These are Hollywood movie studio folks and mainstream film directors. I doubt they understand the emotion we call "love".

What I was expecting, however, is ideas that don't STINK TO HIGH HEAVEN.

What I was expecting was some sort of plan from these professionals that might sound better than something I could come up with myself while sitting on the can.

What I was also expecting was some clue between them of what wouldn't RUN THE FRANCHISE STRAIGHT OFF A CLIFF.

And yes, I was looking in the wrong place, evidently.
#4822504
Ivo Shandor wrote: I wasn't expecting any "loud poetic declarations of how much they love the franchise". These are Hollywood movie studio folks and mainstream film directors. I doubt they understand the emotion we call "love".
I'm not defending what's going on. I think it's just important to focus our anger at the right things. Being mad at business people for talking about business in business emails with other business people is unlikely to get us anywhere and might undermine the legitimacy of our concerns. That's all.

Keep in mind, at the upper echelons of Sony, you have people who make seven/eight figures a year. Every last one of them could quit today and retire with enough money to go start up their own country somewhere. They don't need to work another day in their lives unless they want to. And some of these people sound legitimately excited about what they are doing, even if they are excited about the wrong things.

And you can tell when a director really has no love for the film he's making, and it's never a good thing. In the end, the director works for the producers, and if you've listened to some of those production war stories, the director himself can be awfully de-powered when the studio has a lot riding on a certain film. Heck see Ghostbusters 2 for what can happen when some producers usurp a director's role and start making creative decisions for him. Everybody wants too badly to be Marvel and have their own huge multi-film blockbusting universe-spanning franchise, and yet no one wants to actually look at why that works for Marvel...and isn't working for, say, Sony and their many planned Spider-Man spin-offs.

That's what Ghostbusters would need if it was going to succeed as a multi-movie, spin-off-happy franchise: it would need it's own Kevin Feige. Someone with an actual creative/story-driven direction for the universe, not to mention a genuine love and respect for of the source material, who could keep the whole train moving down the tracks towards an end goal.
#4822510
M.Thunder wrote: I'm not defending what's going on.
That's good, because it's indefensible.
M.Thunder wrote: I think it's just important to focus our anger at the right things. Being mad at business people for talking about business in business emails with other business people is unlikely to get us anywhere
I'm not mad at "business people", I'm mad at the freaking potential DIRECTOR of the movie and the STUDIO HEAD. They should know better. They should have a freaking clue about the franchise.

These emails reveal that they are clueless.

The movie they are describing in the emails, the movie that they are planning to make, has about as much chance of being good (and making a profit) as I do of becoming the king of England. Aren't "business people" supposed to know things like that?
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Yeah This is the first time I have ever dreaded something new from the franchise. I understand that this is the early stages of getting this movie off the ground, but everything they are talking about just sounds like a train wreck waiting to happen. I am really not excited about this film. I am starting to think that Sony has bigger problems than this Hacking thing. I am really at a loss that the "professional studio." Can't just build on the existing universe. That they have to build their own universe to build on. They can't build on the established universe, but the Fan Films can. The fan films have already built on the universe. I am sorry for repeating myself, but I have a hard time wrapping my head around this. Why can the Fans come up with Great Original Characters and great stories. (Return of The Ghostbusters by Hank Braxton being my personal favorite.). Why can't the people that get paid 9 figures a year come up with something half as good? Am I the only person that feels this way? :):):)

Oh Well time will tell ;)
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