Discuss the upcoming movie to be released in 2020 and directed by Jason Reitman.
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Kingpin wrote: April 17th, 2020, 7:15 amI was only a few months shy of 12 at the time, but back then it felt really dangerous. :) We were on holiday in St Andrews and we went to this lovely old singles-screen picture house (which was a contrast at the time to the modern multi-screen cinema that'd opened in the town nearest me the year after I was born). I found a £5 note on the floor, I loved the movie (had been looking forward to it all Summer), and had a good time with my Mum and older brother.
Funnily enough I saw it in a lovely old single-screen cinema, The Electric Picture Palace, I think, in Suffolk! I was home from College and had a good time with my Mum and younger sister. I did not find any money but I did go deaf in my left ear for a week afterwards! Good times!
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Kingpin wrote: April 17th, 2020, 7:15 am
RichardLess wrote: April 17th, 2020, 2:02 amSo all those movie you watched off television, were they edited for swearing & content? If so when did you finally see GB1 uncut? Do you remember seeing GB1 for the first time?
Some of them were. "Yippee ki yay" ended with a dubbed "kemosabe", Doc's "When this baby hits eighty-eight miles per hour" ended with a "We're going to see some serious stuff!" whilst Marty's "Holy Shit!", "Bastards!" (when Doc is shot), and "Let's see if you bastards can do ninety!" during the Libyan sequence were either replaced with "Holy Jeeze!" or excised entirely (though the former, along with Doc's line were filmed alternates).
RichardLess wrote: April 17th, 2020, 2:02 amI may have even asked you this before but did the censorship ever bother you or affect movies you loved as a kid? Were you aware of it?
It didn't bother me at the time as I didn't know any better. Nowadays it does bother me that net-curtain twitchers like Mary Whitehouse and her "morality brigade" had such undeserved influence.

I was only a few months shy of 12 at the time, but back then it felt really dangerous. :) We were on holiday in St Andrews and we went to this lovely old singles-screen picture house (which was a contrast at the time to the modern multi-screen cinema that'd opened in the town nearest me the year after I was born). I found a £5 note on the floor, I loved the movie (had been looking forward to it all Summer), and had a good time with my Mum and older brother.

Though, we remember with some amusement how the audience jeered at Bill Pullman's speech. :P

I did find the scene where they were talking to the alien via Brent Spiner's Dr. Okun pretty creepy,
I know it’s got it’s corny moments, but I don’t care, I love ID4. It could be because of the nostalgia I have for seeing it. That summer of 1996 was a hot one and everyone was talking about ID4. My grandma took me to see it and oh boy. First thing we did afterwards was go to the toy store and I was so ticked off they didn’t have any Toys from the movie. So my grandma bought me this awesome toy Jet airplane that I had for years. It looked so awesome and realistic I used it for a movie I made as a teenager. I had to sacrifice it for the sake of my art and stuck a cherry bomb under its wing and blew it up(I had seen them do something similar in the Star Wars Making Of). The shot looked PERFECT. But inside I was so sad about losing that Jet. So many memories. All I could think of was my Toys, no longer being played with and collecting dust, thinking I’d grew up into Sid from Toy Story lol. But I still rewatch ID4 every summer. I own it on blu.

Heck, I’ll even defend Godzilla ‘98 which blew my freaking head off as a kid.

There’s something about being a kid and going to the movies or seeing a movie on TV. Especially in the summer time. The movie theatre was like my church. Or my drug. I got high off seeing the latest Big budget summer flicks. The air conditioning? It’s daytime when you go in and when you come out it somehow is night. It’s like magic. That feeling when the ENTIRE theatre is invested and loving every moment? Oh man. I’m still chasing that high. It’s just never the same as when you’re a kid. But my favourite part?

The trailers. Oh how I loved movie trailers. If I didn’t get to the theatre in time to see every single trailer? I’m waiting til the next showing(I’m sure my friends LOVED me for that lol). Before I was a movie news junkie the first place I’d see or hear about a new movie is during the trailers. I hoped, prayed and prayed some more that each and every time I would see a Ghostbusters 3 trailer. I still remember going to see Final Fantasy the movie and experiencing something I use to day dream about: a live action Spider-Man film. My best friend and I went back to my place and spent all night trying to download what we thought was the trailer from Kazaa. Finally at like 430 in the morning it was done. And had my first encounter with a computer virus. We ended up having to buy a new hard drive lol. My dad wasn’t pleased. But when he finally saw the trailer, he got it.
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RichardLess wrote: April 17th, 2020, 11:23 amHeck, I’ll even defend Godzilla ‘98 which blew my freaking head off as a kid.
I will always defend the 1998 Godzilla, I respect she's not much like actual Godzilla, but the 1998 movie will always trounce the 2014 effort. Better story, memorable and likeable characters, you don't wait nearly so long to actually see Godzilla...
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It’s part of the Toho mythology, so I’m happy to take ol’ Zilla to heart. Plus the animated series was incredible, so! In the three novels leading up to the Earth Godzilla anime films, Zilla is described as one of the more formidable kaiju, for its ability to lay vast nests of eggs, thus upping the threat the original poses exponentially.

Godzilla is to my nine-year-old son what Ghostbusters was to me! I don’t think there’ll ever be a Godzilla movie that isn’t loved chez Britton!
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Kingpin wrote: April 17th, 2020, 3:10 pm
RichardLess wrote: April 17th, 2020, 11:23 amHeck, I’ll even defend Godzilla ‘98 which blew my freaking head off as a kid.
I will always defend the 1998 Godzilla, I respect she's not much like actual Godzilla, but the 1998 movie will always trounce the 2014 effort. Better story, memorable and likeable characters, you don't wait nearly so long to actually see Godzilla...
You like Godzilla ‘98 too?? You mean...I’m not alone! We Godzilla ‘98 appreciators are few and far between.
I’ve had this theory that if Godzilla ‘98 were called ANYTHING but “Godzilla” it would be as much of a classic ‘90s movie as ID4. Like if they had called it “Colossus” or something. It’s such a fun movie. I agree 1000% that it’s a better movie than 2014. But certain people just hate ’98 as a “Godzilla” movie.

Plus those opening opening main titles with the Nuclear bomb tests and that David Arnold score?

I love that Roland Emmerich & Co decided to rib Siskel & Ebert with the Mayor & his assistant characters lol.

And I don’t care what anyone says “Come With Me” by Puff Daddy is still on my “work out” play list. That song gets me hyped up like few others.

There was this great little “Movie making” war at the time between Godzilla and Jurassic Park. This is a bit of a long story but it’s so much fun. So Jurassic Park 2 climaxes with the T-Rex getting brought back to San Diego, escaping and rampaging throughout the city but! That’s not how the movie was originally suppose to end. There was this entire different ending that Spielberg scrapped when word got to him of a little scene in Godzilla 1998 of Godzilla’s foot crashing thru the rooftop of a museum and stomping on a T-Rex Skeleton while a tour guide informs a group of school kids to the ferocity of a T-Rex. So...the gauntlet had been thrown down. Godzilla ‘98 was giving the finger to Jurassic Park’s star attraction. The T-Rex. So Spielberg ditches the planned ending and hastily has a new one written where the T-Rex is set free in a city. You can see the thinking on Spielbergs part.

So Jurassic Park 2 comes out in 1997 and everyone sees the ending. End of story right? Not quite.. Columbia Pictures has a movie coming out in July 1997 that just so happens to be produced by Steven Spielberg. A little movie called “Men in Black”. So what does Roland Emmerich decide to do? He’s going to use the Museum sequence as the films teaser trailer and it’s going to DEBUT during the trailers for Men in Black. You can find that trailer on YouTube. The museum sequence ended up getting cut from the movie anyways but it’s still great. A little movie maker gamesmanship that you rarely see anymore.
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RichardLess wrote: April 18th, 2020, 4:32 amAnd I don’t care what anyone says “Come With Me” by Puff Daddy is still on my “work out” play list. That song gets me hyped up like few others.
I didn't think much of Combs' effort, to me, the signature tune of the movie was Jamiroquai's Deeper Underground.
RichardLess wrote: April 18th, 2020, 4:32 amThat’s not how the movie was originally suppose to end. There was this entire different ending that Spielberg scrapped when word got to him of a little scene in Godzilla 1998 of Godzilla’s foot crashing thru the rooftop of a museum and stomping on a T-Rex Skeleton while a tour guide informs a group of school kids to the ferocity of a T-Rex. So...the gauntlet had been thrown down. Godzilla ‘98 was giving the finger to Jurassic Park’s star attraction.
Hah! What was the original sequence from Lost World going to be?

Here's the teaser Rich was referring to:



The Times Square one was pretty neat, too.
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Kingpin wrote: April 18th, 2020, 7:48 pm
RichardLess wrote: April 18th, 2020, 4:32 amAnd I don’t care what anyone says “Come With Me” by Puff Daddy is still on my “work out” play list. That song gets me hyped up like few others.
I didn't think much of Combs' effort, to me, the signature tune of the movie was Jamiroquai's Deeper Underground.
RichardLess wrote: April 18th, 2020, 4:32 amThat’s not how the movie was originally suppose to end. There was this entire different ending that Spielberg scrapped when word got to him of a little scene in Godzilla 1998 of Godzilla’s foot crashing thru the rooftop of a museum and stomping on a T-Rex Skeleton while a tour guide informs a group of school kids to the ferocity of a T-Rex. So...the gauntlet had been thrown down. Godzilla ‘98 was giving the finger to Jurassic Park’s star attraction.
Hah! What was the original sequence from Lost World going to be?

Here's the teaser Rich was referring to:



The Times Square one was pretty neat, too.
The original JP2 ending, which was scripted and storyboarded, but I don’t think it was ever shot, had Ian Malcom & Co escaping the island via helicopter(just like in the finished film), only once they get airborne the Ingen helicopters are attacked by flying pterodactyl that have escaped their caged Aviary. If memory serves they ended up re using some of the ideas of this sequence in Jurassic Park 3 & Jurassic World.

The scrapped climax of JP2 also would’ve lent itself better to the actual final shot of the finished movie, which is of a loose pterodactyl spreading its wings on the perch of a tree. They kept the final shot but removed the sequence showing them in action attacking helicopters.

The rushed nature of writing, planning and shooting the new ending helps explain why portions of the climax don’t really make sense. I mean...how did the T-Rex kill the crew yet still be contained inside the cargo hold? The whole severed arm holding the “Open/Close” switch for the cargo bay doors makes no sense. They could’ve explained it easily by saying the child Rex was on the ship and killed the crew but they explicitly mention the Rex was flown in separately.

Then again the JP franchise has a history of things not adding up. I still don’t know where the concrete wall in the T-Rex paddock comes from. One second the Rex is escaping thru the paddock fence on level ground and the next there’s a massive cliff drop that the SUV, Dr. Grant & the kids go over. Where did that come from?
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Possibly controversial, but Jurassic Park is the point Spielberg forgot how to make big high octane adventures for me. It’s badly shot, badly edited, badly costumed and criminally dull. Maybe I was just slightly too old for it, but I’m always staggered to see it regularly at the top of my friends’ “top 10 Spielberg’s” in a world where Jaws exists.

It still towers over Jurassic World, mind.
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robbritton wrote: April 19th, 2020, 2:45 am Possibly controversial, but Jurassic Park is the point Spielberg forgot how to make big high octane adventures for me. It’s badly shot, badly edited, badly costumed and criminally dull. Maybe I was just slightly too old for it, but I’m always staggered to see it regularly at the top of my friends’ “top 10 Spielberg’s” in a world where Jaws exists.

It still towers over Jurassic World, mind.
That’s an interesting take. It’s nowhere near his best film but I don’t think there is such a thing as a poorly shot Spielberg film. I do think it’s one of his least visually dynamic films. But that’s more of him trying to put a lid on the tendencies he got criticized for on Hook, one of his most wildly lit films(which I LOVE). Interestingly enough, JP marked the last time Spielberg would ever work with a cinematographer other than Janusz Kaminski.

Imagine being Spielberg in 1993. You release the highest grossing movie of all time for the 3rd time in your career and completely evolve as an artist with Schindler’s List, winning best picture and director in the process. Crazy.

JP is flawed, definitely, especially the final 3rd of the movie. But it’s still a helluva a movie with imagery and symbolism that you don’t often get in blockbuster filmmaking anymore.

By the way, I don’t think Spielberg forgot how to make big high octane adventure films. The Adventures of Tin Tin shows that. I just think his priorities changed and that he changed as a filmmaker.

I also think that’s the first time I’ve ever heard someone call JP “criminally dull”. I gotta disagree big time with that one. I find JP mesmerizing. “Dinosaurs? But how? Oh, really? That’s how? Cool! But how can Hollywood realistically make Dinosaurs work? Oh. Wow. They actually look pretty darn real. Ok well what about the moral and ethical arguments for bringing an extinct species back to life? Oh ok, they cover that too and it’s actually a really great, well written scene!”.

Is it one of the more lesser visually impressive Spielberg films? Yes. Is it poorly edited? There are a few awkward cuts here and there but I don’t think it’s fair to say it’s poorly edited. Are there some silly 1990s tropes? Oh yeah. I cringe every time I hear the word “hacker” come out of Lex’s mouth.

Here’s an interesting tidbit. Apparently Steven Spielberg was so confident in the film, he let George Lucas oversee post production of JP while he shot Schindler’s List in Poland.

How old were you when Jurassic Park came out?
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It's strange how Jaws and Jurrassic Park are from the same director. One movie where you can hardly see the monster and one where it's there front and centre. And they both work so well, even if JP feels more like a adventurous thrillride while Jaws builds up tension and never let's go once that great score sinks it's teeth into you.

Jaws feels like the better movie to me because the character work is miles better, but I always imagine how Jaws would have been with the technology and money that was poured into JP.
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Coover5 wrote: April 19th, 2020, 1:24 pm Of the folks who love Jaws how do you feel about the film Duel?
Duel is amazing. You can see what a talent Spielberg is even when he’s doesn’t have his usual bag of tricks: Big Budget, soaring John Williams score, Michael Kahn. He’s got none of those here. It was a made for TV movie that looked so great it got a theatrical exhibition in Europe. It’s such a thrilling movie.
I think Sugarland Express is also a good movie(co starring Walter Peck no less!) that people tend to overlook.

Jaws is a flat out perfect movie. Just perfect. I’ve said this before but limitations are an imaginations best friend. Spielberg was limited on how he could show the shark and how often, so how does he get around it? The barrels, the music, the tension. Jaws wouldn’t be near the success it is/was had the Shark worked. Thank god for that.

It’s why I have issues with GB16 and the “let’s throw everything at the screen in a CGI mess and see what sticks”. GB84 couldn’t rely solely on FX and spectacle and so the comedy and characters are all the better for it. Look at Indiana Jones 4. All of a sudden they’ve got characters swinging around on vines with an army of capuchin monkeys, terrible CGI backgrounds that don’t blend with the live action. Where’s all the great character stuff? All the great action beats(tho I do admit I love the first 20 minutes of Indy 4, fridge nuking included).

There’s a shot in Jurassic Park, a CGI shot, that holds up so freaking well it blows my mind. It looks better than any single shot in Jurassic World. It’s the shot of the dinosaurs when Grant says “They’re moving in herds, they do move in herds” as the music swells. Why does it hold up so well? Why does the T-Rex CGI hold up so well? Because they only had less than a 100 shots to render vs thousands for movies today.

Or look at the animatronics. The sick triceratops in JP is one of the greatest animatronics ever made. It looks so convincing. They even put bird poop on it for realism. Compare it with the animatronics from the latest movies and you gotta wonder why none of the new ones look near as good as what they could do in 1993. Because of the whole “we’ll just fix it in post” mentality.

Computers opened up a whole new world of possibilities for films and filmmakers. It’s a great tool. But it’s become a crutch that is overused. Ready Player One felt like the most lifeless Spielberg movie ever made. I felt like any filmmaker could’ve made that movie. Sure it had its moments but at no point did I feel anything for the characters or feel invested in the action. It was just nostalgia porn and pop culture references. I was really looking forward to Spielberg redeeming himself with Indy 5. Leaving the franchise on a high note. But he’s dropped out. An Indiana Jones movie with Spielberg at the helm? No thanks.
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RichardLess wrote: April 19th, 2020, 5:55 am
robbritton wrote: April 19th, 2020, 2:45 am Possibly controversial, but Jurassic Park is the point Spielberg forgot how to make big high octane adventures for me. It’s badly shot, badly edited, badly costumed and criminally dull. Maybe I was just slightly too old for it, but I’m always staggered to see it regularly at the top of my friends’ “top 10 Spielberg’s” in a world where Jaws exists.

It still towers over Jurassic World, mind.
That’s an interesting take. It’s nowhere near his best film but I don’t think there is such a thing as a poorly shot Spielberg film. I do think it’s one of his least visually dynamic films. But that’s more of him trying to put a lid on the tendencies he got criticized for on Hook, one of his most wildly lit films(which I LOVE). Interestingly enough, JP marked the last time Spielberg would ever work with a cinematographer other than Janusz Kaminski.

Imagine being Spielberg in 1993. You release the highest grossing movie of all time for the 3rd time in your career and completely evolve as an artist with Schindler’s List, winning best picture and director in the process. Crazy.

JP is flawed, definitely, especially the final 3rd of the movie. But it’s still a helluva a movie with imagery and symbolism that you don’t often get in blockbuster filmmaking anymore.

By the way, I don’t think Spielberg forgot how to make big high octane adventure films. The Adventures of Tin Tin shows that. I just think his priorities changed and that he changed as a filmmaker.

I also think that’s the first time I’ve ever heard someone call JP “criminally dull”. I gotta disagree big time with that one. I find JP mesmerizing. “Dinosaurs? But how? Oh, really? That’s how? Cool! But how can Hollywood realistically make Dinosaurs work? Oh. Wow. They actually look pretty darn real. Ok well what about the moral and ethical arguments for bringing an extinct species back to life? Oh ok, they cover that too and it’s actually a really great, well written scene!”.

Is it one of the more lesser visually impressive Spielberg films? Yes. Is it poorly edited? There are a few awkward cuts here and there but I don’t think it’s fair to say it’s poorly edited. Are there some silly 1990s tropes? Oh yeah. I cringe every time I hear the word “hacker” come out of Lex’s mouth.

Here’s an interesting tidbit. Apparently Steven Spielberg was so confident in the film, he let George Lucas oversee post production of JP while he shot Schindler’s List in Poland.

How old were you when Jurassic Park came out?
I was 15, and firmly in my music over films phase, so I'll admit I wasn't in the best headspace with it. I absolutely agree with what you wrote later in the thread about the best shot in the film - the lake with the dinosaurs is incredible, so you have me there. you're dead right about the Triceraptops too. Maybe those bits being so good make the rest of it annoy me even more, though!

I don't know, I think I'm just so in love with Jaws and Duel that I was hoping he'd do the same with the book of Jurassic Park. It just feels a bit cheap next to the grand sweep and small emotion of his other blockbusters (and I totally agree it was an understandable reaction to Hook, I was being a bit grouchy about "badly shot"). Compare Brody's kid mirroring him at the table to the John Hammond restaurant speech. One conveys more than a thousand other movies in gesture alone, the other is a slightly hammy speech.

I just can't get past Jaws. Every frame of that movie feels alive and true, and that gives the threat such weight. I don't believe in a single one of the characters in Jurassic Park, and thus I don't care about their peril.

And to Coover5, I adore Duel. it is one of my two "No, you need to look at this..." when I hear the old 'emotionally manipulative' accusation levelled at Spielberg. As Richarless says, to achieve that with none of his regular fallbacks, and for TV to boot! People ought to hold him up to Hitchcock standard on that one alone, never mind the excellence that followed. for what it's worth, for my money pre-JP Spielberg goes:

1. Jaws
2. Duel
3. Raiders of the Lost Ark
4. Poltergeist (I know, I know, but...)
5. Close Encounters Of The Third Kind
6. E.T.
7. Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom
8. Sugarland Express
9. Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade
10. 1941

(caveat: I'm not really sure of the relative quality of Temple of Doom and Last Crusade - I was caught up with a couple of other films when they came out and never really gave them a fair crack of the whip, as it were!)
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So I'm a little biased, Last crusades was the only one I was old enough to see in theaters, so it's my favorite, but I had it on the same level as Raiders. I always felt Temple of Doom was a step below the others. Its been over 20 years since I seen it. Maybe the Crappy NES game is tainting my memory. I felt like something was missing/off from Jurassic Park when I left the theaters however I'd still swap out 1941 top 10
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Kingpin wrote: April 17th, 2020, 7:15 am Some of them were. "Yippee ki yay" ended with a dubbed "kemosabe", Doc's "When this baby hits eighty-eight miles per hour" ended with a "We're going to see some serious stuff!" whilst Marty's "Holy Shit!", "Bastards!" (when Doc is shot), and "Let's see if you bastards can do ninety!" during the Libyan sequence were either replaced with "Holy Jeeze!" or excised entirely (though the former, along with Doc's line were filmed alternates).
My favorite TV edit has to be the one where one of Marty's "Jesus Christ!" utterances gets replaced with "Judas Priest!"
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So, when GB2 came out I was already a huge GB fan (6 years old) and it scared the behjeezes out of me in the theatre as soon as Vigo's head turned in the painting I was under my chair for most of the film. Maybe it was "kiddie-fied" for those who were now +5 or so years from the 1st film, but it was still scary as hell to me. -laughs-
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Well, if there were fears about Afterlife being kiddified/child-friendly... I think the trailer has put that worry to bed.
The Terror Sentinel when it's first breaking free is pretty scary-looking, and that miner ghost? Makes my skin crawl even as an adult:

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Jason Reitman joked that he wanted to make a movie that would "scare kids." I think it's clear he's making the movie through the eyes of someone who saw the original as a grade-schooler. Of course the question is, if the original starred adults and appealed to kids, why does it have to star kids now in order to appeal to kids? On the other hand, if the remaining original cast isn't considered marketable enough or "up to it" in their old age to go on a full-movie romp themselves, who are you going to pass the torch to? Another batch of adult SNL comedians? That's a highly predictable thing to do. It also risks looking like GB2016 over again. And are there really any great, likable comedic personalities out there now who could inherit the franchise?

Movies starring kids are NOT over-saturated in the market, especially ones that are considered sophisticated enough for adults, like E.T., Goonies, Stand by Me and It. So it fills a niche to put one out. Movies like that were also more common in the '80s, so it gives almost a double dose of '80s nostalgia in one movie. Of course the problem could come later, if these kids lose whatever charm they have as actors as they grow up, how do you keep the franchise going? Should they have cast twenty-somethings who look like teens instead, like in Ready Player One/Ferris Bueller's Day Off? Or might they intend to do very different types of sequels, set in different times or places, with different cast members every time?

From what we're seeing in the trailer, the vibe seems close to Goonies to me. Not as dark as It, not as serious as E.T. and not as comedic as Monster Squad. It definitely won't have sexually oriented jokes, just as GB2 didn't, which is par for the course for modern "family" movies. While the GB movies have scares, we know they were never as gruesome as even what Poltergeist had (other than the ill-advised subway severed heads), so I doubt they will be any different here. The kids here seem to be written on an intelligent and complex level, not as innocent little smiling emptyheaded cherubs seen through an adult's eyes. Adults definitely thought Goonies was a kids movie in the '80s, but kids who are grown up now still seem to like it. So if we can pretend this is an '80s movie that's been sitting on the shelf and we just happened to miss it, maybe that will put us in the right mindset to enjoy it.
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JediJones wrote: July 30th, 2021, 8:45 pm(other than the ill-advised subway severed heads).
Ill-advised? That bit along with the whole train tunnel sequence is one of my favourite parts of Ghostbusters II, one of the bits where it really adds a sense of dread and horror.
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Kingpin wrote: July 31st, 2021, 9:13 pm
JediJones wrote: July 30th, 2021, 8:45 pm(other than the ill-advised subway severed heads).
Ill-advised? That bit along with the whole train tunnel sequence is one of my favourite parts of Ghostbusters II, one of the bits where it really adds a sense of dread and horror.
Seriously. GB2 is scarier than the 1st film. It has less swearing and smoking by oh my god Vigo terrifies me to this day. When his face does that twisty morph thing before he transforms to his final form? Wow. Those heads on spikes? With bits of flesh hanging off? The creepy “Wiiiinnsssstoooon”.

I hope there’s a scene at least as intense as Dana’s “chair” encounter in GB1. CGI stuff tends not to frighten me. I’m trying to think..but there hasn’t been a creature or monster that freaked me out in a long time. I guess there was some of Davey Jone’s crew in Pirates 2 & 3 that were pretty creepy. Hellboy 2 has some creepy creatures like the creepy hand with eyeball dude.

This isn’t meant as a unjust knock on GB16 so much as it is just on general “kids” or Pg-13 movies now days, they don’t have those scary moments. Last time I remember thinking “holy crap how did they get away with this?” For a PG-13 movie was Spider-Man 2. I’m sure you know the scene I’m talking about. The operating room scene. It’s bloodless but oh man is it intense! I love that someone approved that!

The movies a lot of us grew up with had some pretty creepy/intense stuff in it. Jaws, Close Encounters, Raiders, Temple of Doom, Gremlins, Ghostbusters, Goonies, Goonies with Monsters aka Monster Squad, Batman Returns kinda creeped me out a little. The music especially the Danny Elfman “la la la” choir circus style music just…I didn’t like watching Batman Returns alone as a kid lol. I hate to pull the “kids today” card, but it’s true. They just don’t have the sort of movies that we grew up with, the ones that pushed that PG or PG-13 rating to the brink.

Can anyone else think of a PG-13 movie made within the last 10 years that pushed the envelope like those movies did when we were growing up?

Edit: Hey Deadderek, just a heads up. Instead of clicking the “like” button & replying with “Ya know what Mr. Richardless, sir? You are, as usual, completely right. We are all so blessed to be able to bask in the presence of your wonderful words. You are so wise. And probably handsome. Did I mentioning charming?”—instead of replying with that, you accidentally clicked the “dislike” button. It’s cool. Mistakes happen. I forgive you
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RichardLess wrote: August 1st, 2021, 3:24 amThe music especially the Danny Elfman “la la la” choir circus style music just…I didn’t like watching Batman Returns alone as a kid lol.
I love it when Elfman brings out the scary choir. "Birth of a Penguin" is one of my favourite pieces of his.


RichardLess wrote: August 1st, 2021, 3:24 amCan anyone else think of a PG-13 movie made within the last 10 years that pushed the envelope like those movies did when we were growing up?
Hmmm... I know I'm bending the rule about the last ten years... But in the last twenty these ones kinda stood out to me:

The Prestige - when you learn the truth about the trick.
Casino Royale - Bond's torture and poisoning scene.
Batman Begins - Monstrous Batman and Scarecrow's mask under the influence of the fear toxin.
The Dark Knight - Harvey's burns.
Ant-Man - Yellow Jacket murdering that man in the bathroom.
Serenity - The Reavers, the operative's way of dispatching people, River Tam's fights, Wash's death.


And just a minor bit of moderator's insight: the thread was better without the goading snark.
Just saying.
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Kingpin wrote: August 1st, 2021, 11:40 am
RichardLess wrote: August 1st, 2021, 3:24 amThe music especially the Danny Elfman “la la la” choir circus style music just…I didn’t like watching Batman Returns alone as a kid lol.
I love it when Elfman brings out the scary choir. "Birth of a Penguin" is one of my favourite pieces of his.


RichardLess wrote: August 1st, 2021, 3:24 amCan anyone else think of a PG-13 movie made within the last 10 years that pushed the envelope like those movies did when we were growing up?
Hmmm... I know I'm bending the rule about the last ten years... But in the last twenty these ones kinda stood out to me:

The Prestige - when you learn the truth about the trick.
Casino Royale - Bond's torture and poisoning scene.
Batman Begins - Monstrous Batman and Scarecrow's mask under the influence of the fear toxin.
The Dark Knight - Harvey's burns.
Ant-Man - Yellow Jacket murdering that man in the bathroom.
Serenity - The Reavers, the operative's way of dispatching people, River Tam's fights, Wash's death.


And just a minor bit of moderator's insight: the thread was better without the goading snark.
Just saying.
Do you mean the thing about deadderek disliking my post? That comes across as snarky? Man. I thought it was pretty clear I was completely kidding. My bad.

Anyways. Batman Begins is a good example. The face with the black goo coming out. Creepy.
TDK’s Two Face is another. One thing that’s always bugged me about that movie is it’s reputation for being this incredibly violent borderline R rated thing. Besides Two Face, we don’t see a drop of blood anywhere. It actually bothers me in certain scenes. Like when The Joker kills Gambol. What the heck happens there? He cuts his cheek? Why does he die? It’s this super intense scene that’s ruined by that awful soundtrack noise that occurs when The Joker kills him.
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RichardLess wrote: August 1st, 2021, 2:14 pm Like when The Joker kills Gambol. What the heck happens there? He cuts his cheek? Why does he die? It’s this super intense scene that’s ruined by that awful soundtrack noise that occurs when The Joker kills him.
Having just re-watched it... I think it's meant to imply the Joker slashed his throat, but it's really, really poorly depicted...

Though It may've been a bit more clear when it was first film, but was censored/edited down/out to keep the PG-13 rating.
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Kingpin wrote: August 1st, 2021, 3:08 pmHaving just re-watched it... I think it's meant to imply the Joker slashed his throat, but it's really, really poorly depicted...

Though It may've been a bit more clear when it was first film, but was censored/edited down/out to keep the PG-13 rating.
On the commentaries for Live Free or Die Hard and Fast & Furious 6, Len Wiseman and Justin Lin both talk about being forced to even mute or muffle sound effects for a PG-13 rating. Wiseman says they had to trim down the number of bullet hits just on the walls when the villains shoot up Justin Long's apartment, and Lin talks about decreasing the intensity of the punches and hits in the jail cell when Paul Walker is being attacked by a villain's goons. The Dark Knight bit always struck me as something that probably would've made much more sense with a sound effect, but they were forced to remove it, leaving only the musical sting.
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