Kingpin wrote: ↑November 28th, 2021, 1:27 pm
One time wrote: ↑November 27th, 2021, 12:50 pm No, GB1 elevator exit you clearly see Egon's finger flipping the wand switch and the cyclotron sound activating. There's still the gap between Egon backing away from Ray's Pack, and the guys stepping out of the elevator. The reasonable conclusion to make, considering they had the whole "switch me on" sequence moments ago is that Egon and Peter's Packs were turned on the same way before they stepped out onto the 12th Floor.
While what Egon does results in the same or similar noise to the main start up, I don't believe it was meant to suggest you activated the whole Pack from the wand, just that Egon in that instance was activating his thrower.
The courtroom battle sequence isn't as definitive a source as it should be, because it's likely when they were plotting it, the production team and actors had forgotten entirely about the "main switch" from the sequence from the Sedgewick Hotel elevator.
In the meantime, I'm tempted to split off the activation process discussion to a separate topic.
One time wrote: ↑November 28th, 2021, 9:00 am Nope. He switched it off with his wand switch before leaving the elevator. You can clearly see him turn it on again a few moments later when he says "Gotta hold him myself". The entire corridor is silent when he says this. His cyclotron is not on. Yet the Cyclotrons are visibly active with flashing red lights when the guys are watching Mr. Stay Puft walk up Central Park West without making an audible sound.
It seems fair to conclude the Cyclotron was active in the whole stretch of time between the moment they blasted the maid's cart and when Ray bumped into Slimer, he likely just had the safety on and the thrower powered down to avoid a repeat of the cart incident.
It makes no sense to me that the proton pack and the thrower make the exact same (deep bass) activation sound if the sound indicates a different function in each. Like identical. As if there are two proton packs, not a proton pack and a thrower. Two different complex machines that do different things cannot make an identical activation sound.
The activation sound happening when the 4 red cyclotron lights are already on, means it is a separate function? What IS the activation sound? We don't even know. Is it the cyclotron starting? Is it the 4 electromagnets getting electricity IN ANTICIPATION of the cyclotron starting? Who knows.
I think the reality is that detail in the scenes just aren't thought out as much as we would like. A director of photography might want lights in one scene and an activation sound effect might be crucial at another moment where the lights are already on. They just aren't connected in terms of functionality.
GB1 has many mistakes like that. The 2 white lights on Ray's pack in the hotel where the paint rubbed off. The cyclotron going clockwise in one shot, anti clockwise in another shot, etc. The bargraph scrolling in one scene and static in another. It's just a mess.
I think we as fans of the franchise almost have a job as a prop master when we try to decide on our own head canon. Ivan Reitman didn't really do it so we end up each making our own.
However in doing so there are fans who are experienced in mechanical engineering and GUI design and even though (obviously) all of our opinions are valid, the truth is that some explanations are more plausible than others. If there is no definitive canon defined by Sony. Which appears to be the case.
Like I said, my own interpretation is that the pack switch is a master switch that enables the wand switches to work.
If the pack switch is off, the wand won't do anything. Which makes perfect sense as the pack switch is recessed, hidden, turns on to the right (i.e. away from the edge of the pack so can only be turned off by accident, not on), is big and RED. The thrower power switch and activation switch are two tiny toggle switches that could snag on anything.
The wand is like a TV remote control (with toggle switches instead of buttons).
-If your TV electricity plug (pack switch) is unplugged, the remote control will do nothing.
-If the TV is plugged in, the remote control can start and shut off the TV.
-If the remote control (toggle switch remember!) power and activate switches are ALREADY on, then plugging in the TV (pack switch) turns the TV on instantly
That sequence is in line with every activation scene seen in the movies (GB1 Ray elevator (pack switch), GB1 Egon elevator exit (wand switch), GB1 rooftop scene (wand switch), GB2 courtroom scene Do-Ray-Egon (wand switch).
The sequence is in line with actor's fingers switch movements and startup sound effect. Like Kingpin says it is NOT inline with the red leds of the cyclotron going lit or not. In my head canon I'd be happy enough with on screen switches flipped with accompanying cyclotron sound effects. The 4 red leds not being synced up I grant as simple production mistakes or necessities of cinematography and photography.
I am open to a sequence that makes more logical sense or is more plausible.