Kingpin wrote: ↑September 26th, 2022, 1:57 am
RichardLess wrote: ↑September 25th, 2022, 4:19 pminstead we get what would probably actually happen to a group of guys operating nuclear power packs without licenses. Except they weren't living the repercussions of wearing unlicensed nuclear accelerators, they were living the repercussions of causing a massive explosion that blew the top off of 550 Central Park West. If it'd been the former they likely would've been locked up, or doing some sort of grunt work for the first Bush administration to pay their debt to society.
The issue with the "starting over" aspect of Ghostbusters II is it's like if Spider-Man 2 had decided to devote a large chunk of time to retelling the sequence where Peter got bitten by the spider, and saw Uncle Ben die - it's a waste of screen time for a plot detail we've already seen once. Spider-Man: Homecoming didn't feature either of these iconic moments because they knew the audience would be familiar enough with them that it wasn't necessary to repeat them once again.
Ghostbusters II could've opened with the guys still being in business (and thus being more in-line with The Real Ghostbusters, but maybe business has gotten a little slow (hence the side-hustle as birthday party entertainment), then the volume of calls starts increasing alongside Dana's own experience with the buggy. Maybe it's less triumphant, but I feel it would've felt a bit less repetitive.
And I'm sure there's alternate concepts that would've served for an even stronger opening to the movie than my proposal.
We could even still have the courtroom battle, but it's the Ghostbusters being called in to investigate a haunting at the courthouse, rather than their own trial - which would've given us even more scenes of the "professional paranormal investigations" side of the business along with the "eliminations" side.
When you think about it they are still acting as Ghostbusters from the moment they take Dana’s case. That happens early on in the film. They are investigating her paranormal event. That’s part of Ghostbusting. Are they wearing the packs and suits?(besides the birthday party) no.
Your Spider-Man 2 comparison is interesting. I don’t think the comparison quite works since, again, it’s not like they aren’t still acting as GB’s early in the film. They just aren’t officially calling themselves that. We don’t see them doing the “going into business” thing again. It’s literally Scoleri Bros-We are back! Interestingly enough Spiderman 2 does have Spider-Man give up being Spider-Man, lose his powers and rediscover how to use them and become Spider-Man again. So there is a similarity. It just doesn’t happen at the start of the movie.
It’s true It’s probably not the best storytelling idea to start from zero. But the movie gets away with it. It works. The start of the movie, in fact the everything up until the first montage? It’s great stuff. It’s funny, it’s interesting. It works. It’s as strong as anything in the first movie.
If we had them being Gb’s from the get go the movie we wouldn’t get World of the Psychic, Ray’s Occult or Egon’s torturing poor married couples. Those are fun moments.
And I guess it goes back to that age old question we seem to come to back to on here. What do you want out of a Ghostbusters movie? Are you in it for the action, the Ghostbusting, the spectacle stuff? Or the characters & comedy? Both? If you want them wearing the suits & packs more often I can see how the movie is problematic.
I could’ve watched a whole movie of Egon & Ray just chilln in his occult store.
There’s a million and 1 ways they could’ve done a sequel. The one issue I have with the way these movies seem to work is the fact that paranormal events are tied to the major big bad & once the big bad is defeated to paranormal activity seems to go away. There’s parts of that idea I like and see the value in and parts that are an issue.
Maybe there’s a better version of this movie. I wouldn’t change much tho with the first two acts. I’d definitely strengthen the climax with Vigo. I wouldn’t get rid to of the Statue of Liberty walking tho. I just love that idea and visual. I get the criticism that it’s a Stay Puft 2.0 thing but they set it up well enough and Stay Puft was a huge punch line sight gag. Liberty walking is used in a more “Are they really doing this?” way. I don’t know. That’s a hard one. I see the problem people have and I get it and even kind of agree to an extent, but still I’d keep it. It works for me.
And yeah you’re right about the nuclear power packs. They’d definitely be jail.