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By mrmichaelt
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Sav C wrote: November 15th, 2023, 11:47 am That's a great timeline, mrmichaelt! Going off that, I can probably think of some approximate times. They probably smash through the roof of the museum at around 11:50, because Vigo's started to morph onto Oscar, and the singing starts shortly after. The museum's around 15 km from Liberty Island (I would guess), and looking at the police escort, the Statue's probably walking around 20 km per hour (and likely wading slower through the water), so they probably leave Liberty Island sometime around 11:10. I'd imagine it'd take around a half hour to prep the Statue, laying out all the wires and hitting it with slime, so that probably starts around 10:40. The sailing from Battery Park to Liberty Island takes fifteen minutes, and they'd have to hall the equipment from the boat to the Statue, and they take time to look at the Statue, so I'd imagine that they leave from Battery Park at 10:15ish. Does that seem too rushed?
That sounds rational to me more or less. Hmm, the City Hall scene seemed like late afternoon given the weird eclipse they witnessed. Driving straight from the hospital to the museum and failing to make a dent must be around 9:30 to 10? So it's a bit of a time skip of 3 to 5 hours between Lenny repeating 'somebody get me the Ghostbusters' to Louis briefing the GBs as they exit the hospital. I doubt the slime blowers and all the audio equipment were in Ecto-1a. We probably missed some hilarity of Louis trying to load all this gear into Ecto-1a before he drove to the hospital to meet up with the GBs.
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By azza200
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I watched GB2 earlier and a question we see Venkmen seeing the Vigo painting at the museum then a few scenes later. Ray and Egon say there must be a connection between Vigo and the slime. So when does Venkmen tell them about the painting? It must be a deleted scene as its bit of plot hole as its obvious we don't see him tell them about it until they meet outside the Museum. We know Ray and Egon go to Dana's house after the bathtub incident.
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By mrmichaelt
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azza200 wrote:I watched GB2 earlier and a question we see Venkmen seeing the Vigo painting at the museum then a few scenes later. Ray and Egon say there must be a connection between Vigo and the slime. So when does Venkmen tell them about the painting? It must be a deleted scene as its bit of plot hole as its obvious we don't see him tell them about it until they meet outside the Museum. We know Ray and Egon go to Dana's house after the bathtub incident.
Yeah. Always figured between Peter visiting Dana at the museum and Peter waking up to hearing Dana and Oscar at his door, he stopped at the Firehouse and mentioned it off-screen since it's basically a time skip of several hours.

Or they even flipped the order of scenes - the visit was first then Ray and Egon showing off the slime and that's when Peter mentions Vigo to them off-screen. You know, I think that was the case in at least the September 29, 1988 draft.
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By BatDan
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It's in the movie:

Venkman calls Ray & Egon right after he lets Oscar and Dana in.

When Ray asks "you think theres a connection?" : just a few beats earlier, Egon says "remember the painting Dana mentioned?" and brings up the information on the computer.

Dana and the ghostbusters have been communicating since the carriage incident, so it's definitely implied she mentioned all the weird things happening around her to them.
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By robbritton
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Just noticed you can see 55 Central Park West from the window of the museum just after Venkman says "He's yours, Ray. Sic him!". As well as being an interesting bit of GB history in the background, it also reinforces the idea that the art museum sits on the site of the real-world Frick Collection in-universe.

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By mrmichaelt
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robbritton wrote: February 8th, 2024, 5:18 pm Just noticed you can see 55 Central Park West from the window of the museum just after Venkman says "He's yours, Ray. Sic him!". As well as being an interesting bit of GB history in the background, it also reinforces the idea that the art museum sits on the site of the real-world Frick Collection in-universe.

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It's definitely possible/likely MMoA is a stand-in for the Frick Collection. Devilmanozzy and I looked at the Frick a couple years ago and that shot you posted (and the later slime eclipse at the Mayor's office) of Ray and Peter's backs and looking out the window does lend to the notion the location to being in the vicinity of E 70th-E71st. At the Frick/E.70th, you definitely should be able to see 55 Central Park West across the park from inside the building and that grab you posted definitely works, imo. I think just as a preliminary comparison, Google maps seems to agree you can see 55 CPW from the Frick.

The 2/27/1989 draft does mention Ghostbusters took the Statue of Liberty up past Times Square/Broadway. Then "A squadron of police motorcycles comes speeding around the corner at 72nd Street and proceeds up Fifth Avenue in the direction of the museum." Then later on, the Statue is described lying on her back on part of Central Park. There a numerous Fifth Avenue shots during the Statue's march in the movie. Plus, I believe there's a deleted scene of Ray and Peter debating the route they should take. I think the shot of Lady Liberty about to hammer the slimed dome might also be another clue if some IRL shots can be found for comparison.

The slime sky scene shows Central Park South east area but they might have added in some buildings or scenery. By the 30th anniversary 4k Blu-Ray, you can see the Essex House on the far right during the eclipse shot which is at 160 Central Park South. You can clearly read the classic signage on its roof.
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By robbritton
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mrmichaelt wrote: February 8th, 2024, 6:44 pm The slime sky scene shows Central Park South east area but they might have added in some buildings or scenery. By the 30th anniversary 4k Blu-Ray, you can see the Essex House on the far right during the eclipse shot which is at 160 Central Park South. You can clearly read the classic signage on its roof.
The Slime Sky is such a weird shot. At the start of that scene the establishing shot puts the Mayor's office on the south east side of the park. Later when we see the slime sky, the POV appears to be from the south west of the park. Even odder, the Slime Sky POV shot appears to be taken more or less from the roof of - you guessed it - Spook Central!
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By mrmichaelt
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robbritton wrote: February 9th, 2024, 4:29 am The Slime Sky is such a weird shot. At the start of that scene the establishing shot puts the Mayor's office on the south east side of the park. Later when we see the slime sky, the POV appears to be from the south west of the park. Even odder, the Slime Sky POV shot appears to be taken more or less from the roof of - you guessed it - Spook Central!
Agreed, it's a weird shot. I figure it was added really late into post production since that office scene with the Mayor firing Lenny was added late as well because the VFX on a scene couldn't be finished in time. So I'm saying they winged it with the Slime Sky shot but... if it's the former or the latter, I'd say the former and that shot of Peter and Ray's back in the museum is the more important of the slim clues in determining the location in-universe. Frick Collection seems the most solid answer. I like the symmetry of the first movie concluding west side of Central Park and the second on the east side of Central Park.
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By Kingpin
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Indeed, the angle and height of the eclipse VFX shot don't correlate with what we know of the size and location of City Hall, but it does feasibly work with Parkview Hospital, and the plotted scene where Louis and Sherman observe the event from one of the hospital's windows.
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By d_osborn
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Kingpin wrote: February 9th, 2024, 11:51 am Indeed, the angle and height of the eclipse VFX shot don't correlate with what we know of the size and location of City Hall, but it does feasibly work with Parkview Hospital, and the plotted scene where Louis and Sherman observe the event from one of the hospital's windows.
This 100%. :love: The cloud tank eclipse shot was added in the 11/27 draft and was one of the ILM shots. Shit Storm 2000.
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By RichardLess
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d_osborn wrote: February 9th, 2024, 1:02 pm
Kingpin wrote: February 9th, 2024, 11:51 am Indeed, the angle and height of the eclipse VFX shot don't correlate with what we know of the size and location of City Hall, but it does feasibly work with Parkview Hospital, and the plotted scene where Louis and Sherman observe the event from one of the hospital's windows.
This 100%. :love: The cloud tank eclipse shot was added in the 11/27 draft and was one of the ILM shots. Shit Storm 2000.
Yeah I thought this had been a known thing for a bit. Sony sells stock footage online and there’s deleted shots from all sorts of movies(Spider-Man 1-3, GB2). Anyways, there’s shots of Parkview hospital with pedestrians/doctors/patients looking up at the sky. It’s clear they are looking up at the eclipse.

https://sonypicturesstockfootage.com/pr ... ster-50162

Actually I’m not sure if this is from parkview, but there is stock footage of the hospital. It’s crazy how much stuff they shot.

I even think they shot the exterior for the cut unfilmed scene where they were dealing with a pyrokinesis case. There’s a random shot of a glass skyscraper in the GB2 stock footage section that doesn’t sit anywhere else.
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By mrmichaelt
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RichardLess wrote: Yeah I thought this had been a known thing for a bit. Sony sells stock footage online and there’s deleted shots from all sorts of movies(Spider-Man 1-3, GB2). Anyways, there’s shots of Parkview hospital with pedestrians/doctors/patients looking up at the sky. It’s clear they are looking up at the eclipse.
I remember the ext. stock footage of the hospital - an ambulance leaving, people crossing, etc. - but the only stock footage reaction shots I can remember were the ones of people looking out their cars on N. Moore St. at the sky.

But yeah, makes sense, the Shitstorm 2000 scene was scrapped but the eclipse shot was done so they very likely reused it for the Somebody get me the Ghostbusters late addition scene because it cost $$$ and they weren't going to just toss it.
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By RichardLess
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mrmichaelt wrote: February 9th, 2024, 6:50 pm
RichardLess wrote: Yeah I thought this had been a known thing for a bit. Sony sells stock footage online and there’s deleted shots from all sorts of movies(Spider-Man 1-3, GB2). Anyways, there’s shots of Parkview hospital with pedestrians/doctors/patients looking up at the sky. It’s clear they are looking up at the eclipse.
I remember the ext. stock footage of the hospital - an ambulance leaving, people crossing, etc. - but the only stock footage reaction shots I can remember were the ones of people looking out their cars on N. Moore St. at the sky.

But yeah, makes sense, the Shitstorm 2000 scene was scrapped but the eclipse shot was done so they very likely reused it for the Somebody get me the Ghostbusters late addition scene because it cost $$$ and they weren't going to just toss it.
Yeah that was my bad I was looking through the footage just now and edited my comment to include a link
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By mrmichaelt
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RichardLess wrote: February 9th, 2024, 6:57 pm Yeah that was my bad I was looking through the footage just now and edited my comment to include a link
Yeah, that was the one. The skyscraper I agree it was probably the pyro guy scene (Drexel, Burnham, and Lambert at the World Trade Center and enter the office of Ed Petrosius in one draft, C.J. Whittaker and enter the office of Ed Petrosius in another). There were some odd ones like students smoking and talking on a sidewalk or something.
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By d_osborn
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The Petrosius scene was still in the script during the NYC production, so no surprise that the exteriors were shot. There are probably a few takes with the GBs and ECTO 1A at the location, as written. There's also the chance it was a second unit shot (sans GBs) under the direction of Peter Giuliano.

Fun bit, the GBs are heading to the Petrosius call when we see them pulling out of the firehouse in the 1A during the montage.
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By mrmichaelt
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d_osborn wrote: February 10th, 2024, 9:06 am The Petrosius scene was still in the script during the NYC production, so no surprise that the exteriors were shot. There are probably a few takes with the GBs and ECTO 1A at the location, as written. There's also the chance it was a second unit shot (sans GBs) under the direction of Peter Giuliano.

Fun bit, the GBs are heading to the Petrosius call when we see them pulling out of the firehouse in the 1A during the montage.
Plus, we know from that interview YHS did with Kurt Fuller years ago, that the late Gilbert Gottfried was cast for the role of Petrosius. Wouldn't it be wild if that turns out to be a deleted scene? Or maybe because of the fire element, it wasn't filmed or they ran out of time during principal and post. Or Reitman and co. decided it slowed down the pacing during the montage. Presumably it would have had to be a set in LA like the Firehouse photo room scene.

The bit with Louis coming out telling them the methods of payment to accept? Neat!
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By d_osborn
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mrmichaelt wrote: February 10th, 2024, 5:01 pm Plus, we know from that interview YHS did with Kurt Fuller years ago, that the late Gilbert Gottfried was cast for the role of Petrosius. Wouldn't it be wild if that turns out to be a deleted scene? Or maybe because of the fire element, it wasn't filmed or they ran out of time during principal and post. Or Reitman and co. decided it slowed down the pacing during the montage. Presumably it would have had to be a set in LA like the Firehouse photo room scene.
Didn't Gilbert mention the GB2 role on his podcast, as well?

The scene was unfortunately cut from the script around the end of January 89, not long before it was scheduled to be shot in early February. The fire effects were planned to be all practical, so there was no ILM involvement with the sequence. I'm guessing that's why were don't have much of any concept art or storyboards from the sequence.

Just imagine Venkman vs Gilbert Gottfried in 1989!
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By mrmichaelt
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d_osborn wrote: February 11th, 2024, 2:33 pm Didn't Gilbert mention the GB2 role on his podcast, as well?
I've been trying to find it, haven't yet. Unless anyone here knows the specific episode.

d_osborn wrote: February 11th, 2024, 2:33 pm The scene was unfortunately cut from the script around the end of January 89, not long before it was scheduled to be shot in early February. The fire effects were planned to be all practical, so there was no ILM involvement with the sequence. I'm guessing that's why were don't have much of any concept art or storyboards from the sequence.

Just imagine Venkman vs Gilbert Gottfried in 1989!
Interesting! What could have been.
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By Kingpin
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d_osborn wrote: February 11th, 2024, 2:33 pmThe fire effects were planned to be all practical, so there was no ILM involvement with the sequence. I'm guessing that's why were don't have much of any concept art or storyboards from the sequence.
And even though the scene was struck, the pyrokinesis concept was recycled into the darkroom sceen... Do you guys know if that scene was another one of the late additions via the reshoots, like the ghost train sequence?
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By mrmichaelt
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Kingpin wrote:And even though the scene was struck, the pyrokinesis concept was recycled into the darkroom sceen... Do you guys know if that scene was another one of the late additions via the reshoots, like the ghost train sequence?
Yes, it was a late addition. On the GB2 commentary track, around 57:13, Joe Medjuck said it was done during reshoots and it was to add a moment of danger they felt was missing. And by the call sheets, it was filmed on April 5, 1989 at Burbank Studios.
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By RichardLess
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mrmichaelt wrote: February 12th, 2024, 5:43 am
Kingpin wrote:And even though the scene was struck, the pyrokinesis concept was recycled into the darkroom sceen... Do you guys know if that scene was another one of the late additions via the reshoots, like the ghost train sequence?
Yes, it was a late addition. On the GB2 commentary track, around 57:13, Joe Medjuck said it was done during reshoots and it was to add a moment of danger they felt was missing. And by the call sheets, it was filmed on April 5, 1989 at Burbank Studios.
The reshoots saved this movie. Full stop. Saved it. I can’t imagine the movie without the ghost train, dark room, Mayor eclipse and the new and improved World of the Psychic. I also wouldn’t know the atomic weight of cobalt.

I’ve said before but almost every deleted scene released thus far cut from the movie ends up being the right call(with the exception of Dana wondering if she’s cursed).

I remember the dark ages of GB2 BTS content where we had nothing but images. When you see so many of those scenes, Louis Vs Slimer, Eugene Levy as Sherman etc they would’ve stopped the movie dead in its tracks and plus Eugene was playing the character way too broadly.

Cutting the Gilbert scene was the right call. Making it about Vigo, adding to his power and the tension. Seeing that door lock. Getting more Ray & Egon.

The reshoots didn’t just save the movie. They made it. It’s interesting. If GB2 were made during the era of internet reporting, the reshoot and the amount of them, so close to release, I cant imagine how news sites would’ve covered it.

Also makes you wonder how much the reshoots added to the budget. These aren’t cheap scenes. Granted the fire stuff was planned for a different scene but still.
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By mrmichaelt
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RichardLess wrote: February 12th, 2024, 10:29 am Also makes you wonder how much the reshoots added to the budget. These aren’t cheap scenes. Granted the fire stuff was planned for a different scene but still.
Yeah, really. I remember when they were bargaining with wages at the start they were shooting for $25 to 30 million for the budget, Rolling Stone noted it was 30, others said it was more like 40, maybe in the end after reshoots it was close to 50.
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