Discuss the upcoming 4th movie, Ghostbusters: Frozen Empire to be released in March 2024.
#4962137
BatDan wrote: November 30th, 2021, 3:41 am I dont believe the OGs are done for good. With the deals that seem to be brewing right now..you need the iconic faces to be there.
Perhaps not done for good entirely, but they would more likely become deuteragonists for the next generation.
BatDan wrote: November 30th, 2021, 3:41 am If winston is re-opening the firehouse. At least him and Ray need to be around to guide the next staff.
This makes sense; especially with the remaining retired OGB's (Ray and Winston) as deuteragonists; they would be positioned in mentorship roles like with Egon in EGB.
#4962295
I'd like to see Janosz dealing with PTSD after his encounter with Vigo.
He has visions of the tirant giving him order from every paint he sees.
He tries to get rid of him with black magic thus opening a portal to something nastier.

Janosz finally goes to the Ghostbusters for help.

The final act is something epic: an army of demons taking over New York, and a really large team of Ghostbusters dealing with the problem from various points of the city.
#4962402
I may be in the minority here, but I really don't want another movie, at least, not in short order.

We waited from 1989 to 2009 to get Ghostbusters: The Video Game, which was a great spiritual successor to the original movies, and even included references to The Real Ghostbusters, Extreme Ghostbusters, and even the Return of the Ghostbusters fan movie.

We waited seven more years to get Ghostbusters: Answer the Call, which received mixed reviews at best, and generally speaking, was not well-received and stirred up way more controversy than it deserved.

We get to 2020/2021 and get Ghostbusters: Afterlife, which is clearly both a love letter to fans and brings a unique take on the original GB universe. It isn't a perfect movie, but damn it, it pressed all the right buttons at all the right times. I will go so far as to say I like it better than GB 2, just because it isn't a complete cookie-cutter rehash. Yes, Gozer and the terror dogs are there so some elements remain the same, but it is not a point-for-point copy of the first movie like GB 2 was.

What is the point that I am driving at here? It took 20 years to go from GB 2 to the video game. Pretending that 2016 didn't happen, it took another 11-12 years to get a decent Ghostbusters film in theaters. Even that only happened in part because Harold Ramis died and became the lynchpin of the emotional underpinnings of the movie.

Do we really want Sony to see the success in this movie and then attempt to re-hash another story? Yes, we as fans have plenty of ideas where the franchise could go, possibly in a successful way. However, we are talking about the Sony Hollywood Machine.

My greatest fear is that Ghostbusters will just become another Jurassic World or Star Wars trilogy. What I don't want to see is another Ghostbusters 2016, or if I am being honest, even another Ghostbusters 2.

Instead of a movie, do you know what might be a cool idea? What about something like a live-action version of The Real Ghostbusters/Extreme Ghostbusters? The Mandalorian proved that technology can be used to achieve some amazing things with live-action and visual effects. Arguably some of the best Ghostbusters villains are part of the cartoon universe. Samhein, the Boogy Man, and heck considering we are moving forward in time we could add tropes like The Slender Man and things like that. Make them one-hour episodic things on Netflix or another streaming service. Winston runs the company and works with the newer recruits, Ray and Venkman show up every now and then, and Janine returns as a hard-nosed but also the occasional voice of reason and concern character. After all, she is a bit older so, probably mellowed out a little. Maybe Slimer comes back, but wouldn't be a central figure like the cartoon series. More like a pet, which occasionally trips up a baddie when he comes on missions.

In my opinion that would be a much better bet than trying to do another movie, just because there is so much more material, and if done right, there can be enough continuity between episodes for character growth and build-ups to occasional bigger battles. There would also be a gradual evolution in the available Ghostbusting equipment, etc.
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#4962438
A sequel that I'd like to see would be something like Dan's original script, it took place in the future and being a Ghostbuster was a normal job, they travelled through dimensions and the ghosts looked creepier, they changed the script because it would've been hard to make but they could do that with better special effects right now. When they changed the script of the first movie it was supposed to be the story of how that business started, it could be a TV show like Real or Extreme Ghostbusters but in live action.
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#4962494
After watching a bunch of the Marvel series like Falcon and Winter Soldier, Loki, and now Hawkeye I would love a mini series. The Marvel series I have mentioned includes characters I am not too fond of but the stories have been very interesting.

A mini series gives them time to flesh out the characters and who doesn't want more than 2 hours of Ghostbusters.
#4962918
Styrofoam_Guy wrote: December 2nd, 2021, 10:59 pm After watching a bunch of the Marvel series like Falcon and Winter Soldier, Loki, and now Hawkeye I would love a mini series. The Marvel series I have mentioned includes characters I am not too fond of but the stories have been very interesting.
I think that's my preferred outcome as well. Afterlife's modest success will no doubt impact what any future projects might look like. For instance while I like the Ecto returning to the firehouse under Winston's care, I can't see Sony spending the money on a big sequel set in the city with lots of effects work.

Perhaps a smaller series would work, they could technically set it in the city but have a bigger focus on dialogue, indoor scenes, more comedy, etc.. Or something set in Summerville with Phoebe and Podcast developing their own tech with Winston's funding? I'm excited by the possibilities, but I don't think there's any going back to the scale of the first two movies. And I'd be happy to leave the movies as a trilogy.
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#4963026
I'd love to see the X-Files formula applied to a Ghostbusters TV series: overarching mystery, monster of the week, the occasional goofy episode. Do one season a year. Make a movie every 3 years. Plenty of story-telling time to follow the Zeddemore corporation, aka Ghostbusters International. Make the Vigo story a double episode. This is the golden age of high-end, big budget TV series. Let Ghostbusters have its share.
#4963036
I personally feel like Afterlife is the Ghostbusters movie that I have waited for. Sure, a lot of people are saying that they shouldn't have brought back Gozer and the Terror Dogs but let's face it, you don't have one without the other.
FACTS:
- In 1984, Gozer never went into a ghost trap, she simply was blasted back into her dimension/portal.
- Ivo Shandor has built multiple gateways for Gozer to enter through.
- In Ghostbusters: The Video Game, Shandor explains that he wanted to become a God because Gozer was too weak to take care of the Ghostbusters.... Which explains why he is immediately ripped in half when Gozer sees him again in Afterlife.
- 2021, Gozer, although a bit more powerful than she used to be, finally ends up in a Ghost trap.

The story that many of us grew up on has finally come to an end and we finally have a proper goodbye for Egon while being able to hopefully see what is next. I hope that Phoebe, Trevor, Callie, and Mr. Brooberson will return. I also hope to see Mr. Grooberson in a proton pack. I really don't see the originals doing much at this point except for running the business and expanding franchises on an executive level. The torch has been passed. I feel like revisiting Vigo would really send things backward and right now, things finally barely got going forward in a beautiful way. I absolutely love Ghostbusters Afterlife and can not wait for the blu ray to release so that it is in my collection on day one, but moving forward, I think Vigo needs to stay in the painting or whatever dimension he is in. The Real Ghostbusters had 140 something episodes and didn't really have to borrow much from the movies. It's time for new stories and ghosts.
#4963039
How about a new movie based in today's time where the Extreme Ghostbusters had already taken place. The team from Extreme Ghostbusters finds out about Egon's passing and decides to show up at the firehouse to pay respects where they end up running into Winston and Ray as well as Callie, Grooberson, Phoebe, and Trevor. I would say Podcast and Lucky but seeing how they aren't a part of the "little family" the only way I would see them in New York is if the townspeople of Summerville vanished during the Gozer incident and those two got adopted by Janine or Winston. I mean you literally don't see any cops or ambulance or anything like that when everything hits the fan and the Ecto-1 and equipment is regained from the police impound.
But if the characters from Extreme Ghostbusters were introduced then the life they had with Egon at the university would be in the past and they would be older. Also, I think it would be great to bring in some sort of demon/Ghost who possesses Eduardo's uncle, who can be someone played by Danny Trejo because I think that would be awesome.
#4963041
If they aren't including Extreme as Canon they won't just have the EGB's just show up out of the blue like that. While i'm not opposed to the idea if Egon just up and left the way he did, he would have never become a Professor at the University. There's a way to bring them in, they wouldn't have known Egon at all.

I can see Winston bringing back the company if the paranormal activity picks up or having the Extremes as a competing ghosthunting group.
#4963092
GBDRE760 wrote: December 8th, 2021, 6:13 pm - In Ghostbusters: The Video Game, Shandor explains that he wanted to become a God because Gozer was too weak to take care of the Ghostbusters.... Which explains why he is immediately ripped in half when Gozer sees him again in Afterlife.


There are too many things in this movie that make the game no longer canon. Gozer kills shador as he's nothing but a pawn who got put to use to open a portal, nothing more. Once the portal is open there is no need for him anymore.
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#4963150
Some nice ideas here. I also would prefer a series with a new crew which has the OG's show up and assist here and there and run the business while finally making some money and maybe we can have episodes where we learn about their families too. There's some potential and I don't think the OG's will mind throwing the suits on here and there, just maybe not the packs...would love to see Ray using the gunner chair while Winston drove and Peter did some lines out the window though.
#4967100
I am hoping for it to go back to New York, with all four kids as rookies under Winston, Ray, and Janine. Lets do a new big baddie maybe based on folklore and have some actual ghost busts (on the call training) in the film.

I read that back, and the last part sounds a bit like Ghostbusters: The Return novel. You know what, it is a good idea, so still, yeah.
#4968235
TheManEatingToaster wrote: March 22nd, 2022, 11:38 am Okay so does Spirits Unleashed count as Ghostbusters 4?
Maybe Ghostbusters 3.5, or Ghostbusters: Afterlife 1.5 until the next movie comes out. We could consider Spirits Unleashed an offshoot continuity of Afterlife... Jason's movie being canon to it, but not canon to any movie we might see in the near future.
#4968264
I'm curious if we'll get an "Afterlife Trilogy." Ghostbusters was meant to stand on its own, so GBII really tells its own story--it could standalone if it had to. I think that, story-wise, Afterlife is more dependent on the original than II is, and it also feels like its story is meant to be told over multiple installments. I suspect that if Afterlife gets sequels, they'll build on each other a lot more than II built on I.
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#4968266
I agree.

GB2 didn’t build on GB1. It just said that GB1 happened. Went out of business, got sued, no more work, and GB2 starts. Doesn’t explain anything else about GB1.

TVG built on GB1 and GB2 and linked things that were AND weren’t seen in the movies. E.g. history of the library ghost, history of Shandor, reason for negative emotions in NYC turning into slime in GB2, the reason of Vigo’s power, the Sloar, Spook Central’s location importance, linking both movies.

Afterlife builds on GB1 only. Skips all between the end of GB1 until Egon moving to Summerville (whenever).

Afterlife 2 is tough because there’s nothing to fill in from Afterlife 1. Afterlife 1 answered everything already. Sure, maybe backfill some events between GB2 and Egon moving to Summerville, or link up some unexplained events of TVG (Ghost dimension? Hall of mirrors?)

I don’t see how that would be interesting. What’s left is the old GB’s teaching the kids how to bust ghosts in New York, a new bad guy appearing and them busting it.

By which point the entire franchise turns into the Alien movies. (Humans gets eaten by Aliens one by one over and over again. Alien 1, Alien 2, Alien 3, Alien Ressurection, Alien Covenant). I.e. same story as GB1 and GB2.

How can the GB franchise be made interesting now? The only releases that did something different after GB1 were TVG and Afterlife.

One thing, maybe, is the obsessive relationship between Shandor and Gozer. Gozer is now trapped (in pieces, somewhere) and Shandor is now dead. I.e. a ghost.

Maybe something completely different? i.e. the majority of the movie taking place in the Ghost dimension. Like the Manhellton script.

Maybe Shandor was there all along during Afterlife (if we go by TVG) his body in Afterlife just a projection. Maybe recruiting other (actual historical, not made up) Gods to help free Gozer, maybe Egon comes back from wherever he transcended to, back to the Ghost dimension for some reason.

Maybe Ray, Peter and Winston finally die and the kids see them playing cards with Egon in the firehouse at night like the end of that one script.

Maybe Afterlife 2 is about both living Ghostbusters (the kids) and the OG Ghostbusters (dead) working from both planes of existence to defeat something existentially (truly) terrifying. Worse than life and death! That would be a first for cinema.

I don’t know, some of it sounds lame, some of it interesting.

But whatever happens, Grooberson has to be a Ghostbuster.
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#4968271
The big difference between building a sequel to Afterlife versus GB84 is it no longer needs to be a major Bill Murray comedy vehicle. This gives them a lot more freedom.

That said, I think there are many ways to set a sequel in NYC without repeating old ground. Eg. Introducing Ecto-2 into movie canon, modernising some of the tech, set pieces located within iconic areas of NYC not yet featured in a GB movie.

They must surely have a sequel planned for 2024. Surely.

Edit: I don’t think Grooberson coming back is a given. I think there are other up-and-coming comic actors who could add a fresh energy and would be fun to see them interact with the younger cast.
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#4968278
The one thing that might been them seeding the next movie is there was a malicious reason why ghost activity died down after GB2. The down tick wasn't just something that happened naturally in the absence of 550 Central Park West's temple and the River of Slime (assuming the River dissipated like the Slime Shell did when Vigo was defeated). And the perpetrator needed several decades to complete his/her goal only for the reformed Ghostbusters to get in the way.

Personally, one thing they need to do to show some viability in the franchise is not doing another apocalypse event, not doing another god even, and definitely no more Gozerian cult stuff. Alternative to the above theory, they could scale down but keep the threat as dangerous as a Class 7 just not out to destroy or rule the world. The easiest example would be a Boogieman type entity and make it a cat and mouse chase.

And I suppose do they plan to involve all of the new cast or just some. Seems like a given they will do a time skip. Teenage Phoebe and Podcast should be fun. Winston is obviously going to staff up his own team in NYC so there will new characters in the sequel so it's going to be a lot of characters fighting for screen time if they're not careful.
#4968322
I don’t want a Ghostbusters 4. Let it be. Let it rest with Ivan & Harold. I know that will be an incredibly unpopular opinion but…Ghostbusters, for me anyways, is such a specific thing and no one has come close to getting it right beyond those first 2 movies. The only person who I think has the right tone to make Ghostbusters interesting for me again would be if one of 2 directors were hired.

Wes Anderson(which will never happen) or Gore Verbinski(which is maybe a tad plausible but extremely unlikely). It’s always surprised me how little some of you seem to care about what Ghostbusters has primarily been: a comedy. A very specific kind of comedy. Sometimes when I visit this place it’s like visiting a Star Wars forum. And if that’s what you dig about the films, all the power to you. But like I’ve said countless times, Ghostbusters is all comedy through character first and foremost(again for me anyways). With occasional sight gags. It’s heavy on the sarcasm, irony & character wit. That the plot and mythology and effects work in tandem with all that is just icing on the cake. But some of you take the icing so seriously it’s kind of funny when you realize how half baked it all is. Ghostbusters and Ghostbusters 2 are movies that work because they are held together with spit and duct tape. The first movie especially. Like…read the shooting script. For both movies. There are 1001 choices Reitman made that could’ve gone wrong & the movie would be lesser for it & those choices were so god damn close. Like…Elmer Bernstein’s awful main disco theme that almost made it in the movie or the bums or the original idea or the proton packs & costumes(swat gear?) or the Ecto 1 or Gozer being a dude in a business suit, the Fort determing sequence…and on and on.

So I kind of agree with some of the reviewers that were critical of Afterlife for being sooo servile to the original. Yes it’s a great movie and comedy. But Jason Reitman treated the original as if it were Citizen Kane.

The only other way I want to see new Ghostbusters adventures is if they do an animated movie or series. Or hire the above mentioned filmmakers, or me lol.
#4968323
I'd love a TV series, personally. With a "monster of the week" type thing instead of stretching a single story over 10-12 episodes, and no more Shandorian mythology either. I'd be fine if Ernie Hudson was the only original guest star (pilot episode, maybe the season finale too).

If we find a way to bring the Afterlife cast into it, it'd be fun to see what Phoebe can build in Egon's underground workshop too...as long as the random invention she happened to be working on doesn't end up being the deus-ex-machina every week (flashback to Star Trek..."but sir, that system hasn't been tested yet!" "We don't have any choice!" :lol: )

The other advantage of TV is you can mix it up with different writers and directors each week, it doesn't matter if there's a few weaker episodes if there's also some great ones in the mix. They can experiment and see what works instead of pinning everyone's hopes on a single film.

OK, I take back what I said earlier, a one-off episode featuring Louis Tully would be pretty awesome. I'd even accept a reunion with Slimer for that :lol:
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