Discuss the upcoming 4th movie, Ghostbusters: Frozen Empire to be released in March 2024.
#4980178
Yeah.... we're not gonna get Ecto-2 like in RGB... aside for VERY few acceptations, helicopters follow the rivers around NYC unless they want to be escorted by military aircraft or emergency rooftop landings (I was in a building when a small helicopter made a crash landing on the roof... terrifying). You thought the EPA was a thorn in their side in 84? They'd have the FAA, military, and several other federal and local authorities breathing down their necks if they were operating an unlicensed prototype aircraft inside NYC airspace. Unless you're a news chopper or have authority to, you're not going to see a helicopter over any buildings in the city. Even the planes leaving La Guardia and Kennedy airports have landing and take offs that avoid as much of the city airspace as possible.

Not trying to yuck anyone's yum, but even with backpacks that shoot radiation lasers, ghosts, gods, and kaiju, the world of Ghostbusters is still pretty grounded to be like ours.

And before anyone asks "zeta, how could you possibly know all this? What expertise do you have?!" I live right next to NYC (Jersey side, a block from the George Washington Bridge). I overlook the Hudson and have a clear line of sight down to Manhattan. I hear and see every helicopter and osprey that flies by and in my 5 years of living here, only ONCE have I seen a small helicopter bank over and fly over residential buildings and that was to get to the air port to get out of the way of a particularly bad storm that was coming up from the South.
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#4980185
Davideverona wrote: March 19th, 2023, 10:29 am So, we're mere hours away from the start of principal production. How are you all feeling?
Pumped!
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#4980186
Bison256 wrote: March 19th, 2023, 9:52 am
Alphagaia wrote: March 19th, 2023, 9:27 am So you're saying the guys with the unlicensed nuclear accelerators are going to follow the rules when it comes to flying helicopters?
It was questionable in the 80s in the RGB, post 9/11 not a chance.
Man, Good thing the Ghostbusters live in a fictional NYC..

Looks like theyll be a-okay with doing anything “illegal” unless Jason and Gil write in their consequences
#4980189
I think the film will do really well box office wise.
Three films mentioned: Wonka, Colour Purple and Aquaman.

I had no idea they remade Colour Purple, but I feel that caters to a certain crowd. Its not a popcorn flick. Its not something you can take your kids too. It could be a contender, but it is a remake and I don't think those do too well.

Aquaman, well I think Ghostbusters will do better than this. I feel theres a bit of comic book film fatigue going on lately. Even I'm feeling it. Plus theres the shake up at DC with them clearing the slate and starting again and of course Amber Herd being in it will affect its performance.

Wonka will be the real contender that Ghostbusters will go up against. Its a retelling of a beloved story. Its star is a bit of a IT kid at the moment. It's probably going to do much better than Ghostbusters for sure.


I think GBAs box office was affected by two things mainly. Covid and the 2016 remake. Alot of people i knew not in the know assumed it was a follow up to the remake and just had no interest until I informed them it was a sequel to the original films with the original surviving cast returning. And yeah I think hiding the original cast in the trailers probably didn't help but I get wanting to put the new cast front and centre but now we dont have to worry.
People will know this is the 4th film in the franchise.

I think this will do much better than GBA but I think Wonka may top it.
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#4980191
I think we might have a shot. Ive heard/seen almost little to no buzz surrounding Wonka.

Wonka is just another reboot to a classic film. Weve already had a Johnny Depp version in the 00s. But yeah the “it kid” as you put might win over the teeny bopper audience, but their boyfriends are gonna wanna see Aquaman or GB the next weekend.

GB is an established franchise. And i think since they put Winston and Ray at the forefront of the official plot, itll seal the sequel/continuation deal on general movie goers.
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#4980194
zeta otaku wrote:Yeah.... we're not gonna get Ecto-2 like in RGB... aside for VERY few acceptations, helicopters follow the rivers around NYC unless they want to be escorted by military aircraft or emergency rooftop landings (I was in a building when a small helicopter made a crash landing on the roof... terrifying). You thought the EPA was a thorn in their side in 84? They'd have the FAA, military, and several other federal and local authorities breathing down their necks if they were operating an unlicensed prototype aircraft inside NYC airspace. Unless you're a news chopper or have authority to, you're not going to see a helicopter over any buildings in the city. Even the planes leaving La Guardia and Kennedy airports have landing and take offs that avoid as much of the city airspace as possible.

Not trying to yuck anyone's yum, but even with backpacks that shoot radiation lasers, ghosts, gods, and kaiju, the world of Ghostbusters is still pretty grounded to be like ours.

And before anyone asks "zeta, how could you possibly know all this? What expertise do you have?!" I live right next to NYC (Jersey side, a block from the George Washington Bridge). I overlook the Hudson and have a clear line of sight down to Manhattan. I hear and see every helicopter and osprey that flies by and in my 5 years of living here, only ONCE have I seen a small helicopter bank over and fly over residential buildings and that was to get to the air port to get out of the way of a particularly bad storm that was coming up from the South.
Yeah airspace here is pretty strictly regulated... drones are also essentially totally illegal. People still get away with it, but it's almost impossible to legally fly a drone in NYC except in a few really specific places.

Some kind of drone equipment for GB would be cool though, and they'd be breaking laws just like they should in GB :P
#4980195
deadderek wrote: March 19th, 2023, 10:16 am Zeta, you gonna go to the NYC premiere? (Assuming they do it again)?
I missed the NYCC debut of Afterlife due to "oh, they're gonna stream the panel? No need to go!" syndrome... I'll see Hell's Kitchen opening night, but not in NYC.
DancingToaster wrote: March 19th, 2023, 3:21 pm Some kind of drone equipment for GB would be cool though, and they'd be breaking laws just like they should in GB :P
See, this I'd be alright with. If anything, it's an evolution of the RTV and it's a bit more believable in a live action movie than an unlicensed gyrocopter
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#4980196
I appreciate that Ghostbusters has to evolve past 1980s technology, but I wince at the notion of fulling embracing modern tech. If every new piece of ghostbusting equipment is going to be remote controlled and Wi-Fi enabled, then why do they even need to leave the Firehouse and drive the Ectomobile to the job? They can just "work remotely" from the comfort of the Firehouse living quarters, sitting on the couch in their pajamas eating Cheez-Its, and busting ghosts with their eyes glued to a smartphone screen. That's definitely not what I signed up for when I became a ghosthead.

Honestly, if anything should be updated, it's the Ecto-1. As much as I love that old heap, there's no way a 64-year-old car would survive that long on the mean streets of NYC, especially with Dan Aykroyd behind the wheel. They really need a new vehicle.
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#4980200
^I really hope they keep it classic. Even from a consumer prop making viewpoint I'd hate my builds become outdated even before I finish it! I mean we all just got the Hasbro Pack and modded it like crazy. It'd be a shame if that is the last we see of it or they decide to add even more things on it. I hope that Pheobe continues to wear the Afterlife Pack while everyone else wheres the OG packs.

From a audience/fan viewpoint I don't want them to modernize the tech or come out with better tech that trumps the classic proton pack stream and trap combo. Sorry to fans of GBTVG but I would like to keep all the added proton pack features away from the movie. It's gonna treck too much into a focus of selling toys and I think that'll ruin the feel of ghostbusters.

Anyone miss the classic Marvel films where they had practical suits and helmets that needed to be taken off? Now every superhero with a supersuit of some sort has nano tech that magically appears. When they want us to see the characters face no problem the helmets easily dissapear. And every movie has a new suit with new abilities. What I love about Captain America that despite him always getting an updated suit every movie is that his weapon was always just a shield and that's it. Thor was like that for the most part until he suddenly has the power to temporarily lend his powers to others. Wonder Woman 84 suddenly had invisibility powers.

New gadgets are unavoidable I get that. But I hope they are just tech that helps make their job easier but are situational specific. Kinda like the Slime Blower in GB2. It was very situational.
They shouldn't be an overpowered, fix all device and at the end of the day, the tried and true weapons to combatting the undead is a proton capture stream and a ghost trap. Nothing should be more powerful.
#4980202
jonogunn wrote: March 19th, 2023, 6:14 pm New gadgets are unavoidable I get that. But I hope they are just tech that helps make their job easier but are situational specific. Kinda like the Slime Blower in GB2. It was very situational.
They shouldn't be an overpowered, fix all device and at the end of the day, the tried and true weapons to combatting the undead is a proton capture stream and a ghost trap. Nothing should be more powerful.
True, the add-ons to a Proton Pack more benefits the playability of the game continuities like The Video Game and Spirits Unleashed and even IDW when Ron added the Boson Caster to his pack. But I don't know how welcomed that would be in the movie canon. Maybe if done sparingly? Idk, I'm on the fence. I would kinda dig seeing the Boson Caster in live action. Just adding Boson Darts in general seems like a good fit especially if they will ever address fighting corporeal entities without crossing streams (but the trick of using the RTV to trap Zuul while Phoebe distracts Gozer was cool).

But I agree more gadgets would be cool like how they did in Ghostbusters II. (I know #firstworldproblems, but it does irk me that a lot of them weren't officially named and the fans have had to guess based on the item used) If there's more items for detection like when the GBs did a sweep of the restoration room or for a montage, I'm cool with that. I could see there being a MacGauffin of sorts with something like a portal device. As others have suggested, tinkering into an alternate way to dispose of ghosts (which has been around in the franchise for a long time like in RGB) or for that matter a device designed to counter a four fold cross rip before it happens (although bad for business but then a business ethics issue) like a more mobile version of Egon's Summerville Proton sentry cannons that can effectively neutralize the point of origin.
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#4980203
I feel the opposite. Even using fully modern technology they could not work remotely. Drones barely do anything for us in real life and they’d need to be experts at RC handling. I know Podcast drove the trap perfectly but they were at least within sight of it. Suspension of disbelief.

I’ve always wanted to see a modernized, streamlined proton pack. Sleek and high tech looking. Still recognizable as a proton pack but if it was invented today.

The ATC packs were smaller and more compact. Not necessarily high tech looking but still cool. The PKE meter does not have to be an app but a smart device would be interesting. Don’t get me wrong I love the original equipment and I’m not suggesting something overpowered.

I don’t think they’ll do any of this though because the equipment was in part designed by Egon and I guess they consider being unrefined as part of the point. So that’s disappointing. To me anyway. We’ll see.
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#4980205
jonogunn wrote:^I really hope they keep it classic. Even from a consumer prop making viewpoint I'd hate my builds become outdated even before I finish it! I mean we all just got the Hasbro Pack and modded it like crazy. It'd be a shame if that is the last we see of it or they decide to add even more things on it. I hope that Pheobe continues to wear the Afterlife Pack while everyone else wheres the OG packs.

From a audience/fan viewpoint I don't want them to modernize the tech or come out with better tech that trumps the classic proton pack stream and trap combo. Sorry to fans of GBTVG but I would like to keep all the added proton pack features away from the movie. It's gonna treck too much into a focus of selling toys and I think that'll ruin the feel of ghostbusters.

They shouldn't be an overpowered, fix all device and at the end of the day, the tried and true weapons to combatting the undead is a proton capture stream and a ghost trap. Nothing should be more powerful.
I could see them using some of the additional tech from TVG in a limited way, like maybe a character doesn't use a proton pack and uses one of the other "add-ons" as a standalone tool. I agree about keeping the packs and traps mostly classic.
As for a drone, I think it could work if they tried to use it as a detection tool (remote-ish PKE meter or camera?). Then they could send it in somewhere only for it to get humorously destroyed by an entity (think The Sandlot).
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Hairy Biker wrote: March 19th, 2023, 1:46 pm I think the film will do really well box office wise.
Three films mentioned: Wonka, Colour Purple and Aquaman.

I had no idea they remade Colour Purple, but I feel that caters to a certain crowd. Its not a popcorn flick. Its not something you can take your kids too. It could be a contender, but it is a remake and I don't think those do too well.

Aquaman, well I think Ghostbusters will do better than this. I feel theres a bit of comic book film fatigue going on lately. Even I'm feeling it. Plus theres the shake up at DC with them clearing the slate and starting again and of course Amber Herd being in it will affect its performance.

Wonka will be the real contender that Ghostbusters will go up against. Its a retelling of a beloved story. Its star is a bit of a IT kid at the moment. It's probably going to do much better than Ghostbusters for sure.


I think GBAs box office was affected by two things mainly. Covid and the 2016 remake. Alot of people i knew not in the know assumed it was a follow up to the remake and just had no interest until I informed them it was a sequel to the original films with the original surviving cast returning. And yeah I think hiding the original cast in the trailers probably didn't help but I get wanting to put the new cast front and centre but now we dont have to worry.
People will know this is the 4th film in the franchise.

I think this will do much better than GBA but I think Wonka may top it.
Aquaman will certainly outgross Ghostbusters(unless Ghostbusters 4 is something truly special. Like Top Gun 2 special). The last one made a billion dollars. Amber Heard has a limited role in the sequel & after The Flash people are going to be interested to see what happens. Plus I don’t think many people really care about her being in the movie or not.

The Flash, I think, is going to be HUGE. In fact I think WB is making a stupid mistake & should be releasing it at X-Mas time & not Aquaman. The Flash is going to blow people away.

The internet is a funny thing. We tend to think of it as the real world but it’s not. So many people have made the mistake of thinking that because something on the internet is popular or trending that it automatically means that translates to success or failure in the real world. But it doesn’t. Hollywood first lesson with that was Snakes on a Plane.

You mentioned the DC universe starting from scratch. It’s tempting to think that something like that matters. But it doesn’t. The real audience? They don’t know who James Gunn is. They don’t know whose in charge of what and what movie follows this or that. You said it yourself, people didn’t even know the new GB movie wasn’t related to GB16 (which is a problem I thought they might have and why I suggested calling it “Ghostbusters 3” would’ve been the best idea business wise. I still believe that. The marketing didn’t do enough heavy lifting for the non hardcore fans who know what they are walking into.)

The majority of audiences are passive theatre goers. They aren’t die hard fans.
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The Flash, I think, is going to be HUGE. In fact I think WB is making a stupid mistake & should be releasing it at X-Mas time & not Aquaman. The Flash is going to blow people away.
Without the Miller drama I would agree that the Flash would make bank. There's enough people being vocal on the comic forums and you tube especially that give me cause to worry about the Films success. Aquaman should make bank.
#4980215
Joe Q Average moviegoer likely doesn't know/care about that shit. I'll bet good money The Flash will be HUGE as well.
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